Good afternoon dear Tim
many thanks for your questions, they put me to thinking hard and even more
so to ask God what He might be saying.
To start with: I do not have 7 points or 8 or 9. The one I mentioned are
just what came to mind when I think of the division between us and even
worse of the separation that theese and many other things have brought and
bring between us and Jesus and so are a hindrance to unity.
I did not bring theese things up in the sense of points, at least I did not
intend that.
What concerns me with those questions is this: Are we simply obediant to
what Christ said ? or do we find alternate ways .
Can we accept one point of Christs teaching and leave those that dont appel
to us or maybe even judge the lifestyle we are living |?
What does it mean to you when Jesus said NO to divorce, because it was NOT
so from the beguinning ?( And still leaving the decision of what we do to
each person?)
And what would the answer be to : Marrying a divorced woman is adultery? (
And still leaving what is done to the free will of the individual?)
Or what would one answer Jesus when he said : LOve your neighbour/fellowman
and your enemy, when I either kill them outright, or make a living from
death bringing work? ( And also here leaving and giviing each human being
the choice of either listening and being obediant or not ? )
I do not judge anyone who does theese or other things. I only ask and how
does this or that go together with what Jesus said?
And I think that the disunity amongst so many christians is the simple
disobedience to so many of His words , which should give life and end up in
doing the opposite? You see I think disunity is already death , quite
strongly put.
I am also in need of seeking that unity , that obedience which is pleasing
to God .

Lets start like this and continue.
I am very glad you sent this post.
Warm greetings 
Klaus Meier
PS I am also a sinner in need of the phisician.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Tim Warlick [SMTP:warlick@...]
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:07 AM
> To:	Klaus Meier
> Subject:	Re: [CU] true unity
> 
> Dear Klaus,
> 
> I agree, you've asked some good questions here, Klaus.  I am praying
> earnestly with you, Klaus, that God will show us and make us aware of the
> things that hinder our prayer for unity.  It will take some prayerful
> consideration, I think, to work out what an answer might be.  For one
> thing,
> Klaus, I have had many fruitful discussions here with you on this list in
> the past, and I very much respect both what you say, and from what I know
> of
> your life in the Bruderhof, the way you and your family live your
> Christian
> lives.
> 
> I think much discussion could be done on each of the seven points you
> refer
> to.  But before we start into each one, individually, let me understand
> what
> you mean by mentioning these seven points, if I may.  You seem to be
> saying
> that these seven points would either hinder you and I, or others on the
> list, from praying together for Christian unity, unless we first agree
> together in some way on these seven points, is that right?
> 
> Please correct me if I have misunderstood this, Klaus, I'm just trying to
> get a clear understanding of your meaning, because if that is what you
> mean,
> then I would like to discuss that general approach, before we get too
> involved in each point.  Why do you mention these seven points in
> particular?  How many more points like this are there, before we could
> begin
> to pray together for unity?  And if by some gift of God, you and I could
> work together to come to complete agreement on these seven points, would
> everyone on the list be likely to agree with us?
> 
> Forgive me for being so direct to the point in my questions here, Klaus,
> but
> I'm counting on the Holy Spirit to let you know that I would never intend
> any offense to you, and that I do dearly love, and depend on you as a
> brother in Christ.  But help me understand how could it possibly work?
> 
> If we tackle your seven points, and then the seven points of each
> Christian
> soul on this list, and then the seven points of each Christian not on the
> list, how far will we get toward praying together for Christian unity?
> How
> does that approach differ in principle, from the way every denomination
> that
> was ever named got started?  Which seven points of which denomination
> should
> we use to get started drawing ourselves together in Christ, so the world
> will know that it was God who sent him?
> 
> Love in Jesus,
> Tim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Klaus Meier <klausm@...>
> To: <christianunity@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:29 AM
> Subject: RE: [CU] true unity
> 
> 
> > Dear Thomas,
> > many thanks for your post. I am mooved by the searching that is going on
> > regarding true UNITY.IN CHRIST  and nowhere else. After reading the
> question
> > commes to me if one of the big hindrences to finding unity in Christ, if
> we
> > dont DO things we know Christ asks of us. Would it be good if each one
> of
> us
> > askes God earnestly to show us and make us aware of the things that
> hinder
> > our prayer for unity? Christianity in general is so unchristian, that
> the
> > testomony to Christ given by our very lives is a mockery of His death
> and
> > resurrection.
> > A few questions , and hopefully they do not apply to any of us:
> > 1. Divorce
> > 2. re-marriage
> > 3. abortion
> > 4 a good life while others hunger
> > 5 serving in the army or earning our living by making things to kill
> others
> > 6watching TV and moovies where jesus could not be present.
> > 7Have we truly forgiven everybody everything so that God may also
> forgive
> us
> > ?
> > Please have a look at theese two websites  and please read this article.
> Am
> > I , are we ready to die for our faith in Jesus and God?
> > From: Klaus Meier
> > Sent: 18 September 1999 08:10
> > To: Klaus Meier
> > www.WARisHELL.com   www.CassieBernall.org <
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Check out the Mirror feature on Cassie at
> > http://www.ic24.net/mgn/THE_MIRROR/NEWS/P22S4.html
> >
> >
> > Warm greetings to you . I hope this article will entice you to get the
> book
> > and get all the help and challenge needed for life.
> > Warm greetings
> > Klaus Meier
> > Theese two website will help you see what it is:  www.WARisHELL.com
> > www.CassieBernall.org
> >
> > Date:    Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:22:23 EDT
> > From:    David Virtue <DVirtue236@...>
> > Subject: Mysterious Echoes of Gunshots - Terry Mattingly
> >
> > Mysterious echoes of gunshots
> >
> > By Terry Mattingly
> >
> > It's hard to read any of the sermons that the Rev. Martin Luther King
> Jr.=20
> > preached about death and heaven without hearing echoes of gunshots.
> >
> > "The minute you conquer the fear of death, at that moment you are free,"
> > he=20
> > said, in 1963. "I submit to you that if a man hasn't discovered
> something=20
> > that he will die for, he isn't fit to live."
> >
> > Decades later, these words still inspire faith and courage, said
> social=20
> > activist Johann Christoph Arnold, who marched with King in the Civil
> > Rights=20
> > Movement. That's why the patriarch of the nine Bruderhof communes in
> the=20
> > U.S., England and Australia included this quotation in his most recent
> > book,=20
> > "Seeking Peace."
> >
> > This was the book that Cassie Bernall and other teen-agers at West
> Bowles=20
> > Community Church were supposed to have discussed on the evening of
> April=20
> > 20th. After that tragic day at Columbine High School, Bernall's
> parents=20
> > showed Arnold her copy of "Seeking Peace," with its handwritten notes
> for
> > th=
> > e=20
> > study session that was never held.
> >
> > Cassie had boldly underlined King's thoughts on death. Did she hear
> echoes
> > o=
> > f=20
> > gunshots?
> >
> > "Why did those words speak to her at such a young age? It is such a
> great=20
> > mystery," said Arnold. "But I do know this. She had found something she
> > was=20
> > willing to live for, and even to die for, and that made all the
> difference
> > i=
> > n=20
> > her life."
> >
> > Here is what Cassie wrote, in a 1998 note her parents discovered after
> > her=20
> > death: "I try to stand up for my faith at school. =85 I will die for my
> God.
> > =
> > I=20
> > will die for my faith. It's the least I can do for Christ dying for me."
> >
> > Cassie Bernall was one of the Columbine students who was asked, at
> > gunpoint,=20
> > "Do you believe in God?" Her story has been spread by news reports and
> > chain=
> > s=20
> > of Internet sites hailing her as a martyr, in the true sense of that
> > ancient=20
> > title in Christendom.
> >
> > Now, her mother has written her own tribute, entitled "She Said Yes."
> > Becaus=
> > e=20
> > of the ties between Cassie, her church and Arnold's writings, Misty
> > Bernall'=
> > s=20
> > 140-page memoir has been published by the Plough Publishing House, which
> > is=20
> > linked to the tiny Bruderhof movement, with its commitment to
> pacifism,=20
> > simple living and the sanctity of life.
> >
> > In the wake of Littleton, many Americans - politicians, preachers and
> > pundit=
> > s=20
> > - keep arguing about the "larger issues" that supposedly led to the=20
> > bloodshed, notes Misty Bernall. She is convinced parents must focus on
> > more=20
> > personal issues closer to home.
> >
> > "Why, when parents and lawmakers are calling for gun control and an end
> to
> > T=
> > V=20
> > violence, are our young crying out for relationships?", she asks. "Why,
> > when=20
> > we offer them psychologists and counselors and experts on conflict=20
> > resolution, are they going to youth groups and looking for friends? Why,
> > whe=
> > n=20
> > everyone else is apportioning blame and constructing new defenses, are
> > they=20
> > talking about a change of the heart?"
> >
> > Nevertheless, "She Said Yes" makes it clear that Cassie's parents
> > repeatedly=20
> > had to say "no," as they pulled her away from peers involved in the
> > occult.=20
> > Her mother reprints passages from letters in which Cassie and a
> friend=20
> > pondered suicide and murder. The Bernalls taped telephone calls,
> searched=20
> > their daughter's room, took evidence to the police and, finally, moved
> to=20
> > another neighborhood. Cassie raged against it all, until her life was
> > change=
> > d=20
> > during a church youth retreat.
> >
> > Brad and Misty Bernall refused to give up, noted Arnold, and made
> radical=20
> > changes in their own lives, as well as in the life of their daughter.
> All
> > of=20
> > this took time, energy and sacrifice. Cassie's new life was rooted in
> > weekly=20
> > patterns of fellowship, prayer, reading and service projects with her
> > family=20
> > and new friends. They ate pizza and went skiing, but also helped
> leukemia=20
> > patients and built homes for the poor. Cassie traded vampires and
> "death=20
> > rock" for poetry and photography.
> >
> > "Cassie would never have said 'yes' in that final moment, unless she had
> > sai=
> > d=20
> > 'yes' so many other times before that," said Arnold. "She had to say
> 'yes'
> > t=
> > o=20
> > many wonderful experiences in her new life, before she had the strength
> > to=20
> > say the ultimate 'yes' when that moment came. We must not forget that."
> >
> > Terry Mattingly (www.tmatt.net) teaches at the Alexandria, Va., campus
> of=20
> > Regent University. He writes this weekly column for the Scripps Howard
> > News=20
> > Service.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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