Bravo!  I am in agreement with you 100%.  However, since we seemingly are on the
same wavelength and running along the same line of thinking, shouldn't those of us
who know the truth bear witness also of that truth in our everyday lives among the
people we deal with on a day-to-day basis?  As you stated we should search each
other out, starting with our neighbors, live together, help one another and not
restrict our relationship to Sunday and :"have a good day".  But knowing all this
is not even half the battle.  Many of us as professing Christians know these
things but what are we doing on a daily basis?  Are we living our lives as
examples of Christ to be a light of the world to point others to Christ or are we
only Saturday/Sunday Christians and Monday morning because we are so overwhelmed
with the cares of this world and the cares of life, forgetting that everyday is
God's day and each day we are yet ambassadors for Christ.  Could this have a
correlation with our apparent disharmony and keep us divided among ourselves?
True, unity is a Gift from above and likewise the Holy Spirit does bring forth
"true unity" but, if we are so entangled with the cares of life, don't we tend to
neglect the things of the Spirit.

It bewilders me to not hear the leaders (pastors, teachers, preachers, etc.) not
dwell on the subject of true-unity among the children of God.  Why would this not
be foremost in their teaching texts from the pulpits across the world.  If they
are the shepherds of the flock, then isn't it their obligation to lead the flock
into safety and to pastures that are edifying to their spiritual growth?  Where do
we the believers in Jesus Christ truly stand if we are not being led by our
leaders to the true way that God intends us to go?  I realize that a lot of people
desire true unity.  And that number of persons is increasing on a daily basis.
But where do we really begin?  It must start from within ourselves and it must
come from above, but the task is so great given all of the barriers established by
(religiousity) how do we go from point "A" to point "B"?

Prayer is the greatest tool to begin with,  and discussions such as this lay
foundations to build upon so how can a prayer group and a dialogue exchange group
come together to begin such a necessary task from our dialogue right here?

Blessings,

Buena L. Price
Lily Of the Valley Evangelistic Ministries, International

Klaus Meier wrote:

> Greetings and thanks for thieese words. They are so true. Could one reason
> be that: " some like this icing and some like that
>  icing "? When we choose what we like , does that change the bread beneath
> it as you put it?
> In my thinking followers of Christ have NO RIGHTS what so ever. We depend on
> God for verything. But as long as we still quarrell about the icing , we
> have missed the importance of the bread.
> We are here on this earth to do Gods will , and not what we /I like. This
> means that we simply Do what Jesus said , that we do not critisise what
> others do, but that I/we do what we know is from God . Does this help?
> I also think that worship allone is not enough, especially if the worship is
> limited to Sunday , or Saturday , ( another issue of opinionatedness.) As
> Christians we should each other out , starting with our neighbors , live
> together , help one another and not restrict our relationship to Sunday and
> : " have a good day " for the rest of the week. True unity is a Gift from
> above , and can not be made. It is truly a gift. What I/we can do is
> eliminate all the things that might hinder God and our brother and sister
> Greetings Klaus M
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lilyofthevalley [SMTP:lilyofthevalley@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 11:18 PM
> > To:   Klaus Meier
> > Subject:      Re: [CU] true unity
> >
> > Klaus, we are indeed in agreement on all of these issues.  The fact that
> > we are
> > saved by Grace and that Grace will bring forth Good Fruits.  Also, good
> > fruits
> > does indeed signify works that we must do because of the grace we have
> > received
> > and not in order to receive the grace.
> >
> > But, what I am attempting to figure out is,  how can we obtain
> > "true-unity" within
> > the Body of Christ with all of the doctrinal divisions;  this one saying
> > "no works
> > no faith", and the other one saying "no faith no works" and still others
> > saying
> > that "it takes works to obtain Grace from God" (which I believe is still a
> > free
> > gift).  Personally, I have seen denominational divisions within the same
> > denominations of churches that argue over things such as baptism.  All
> > agreeing
> > that one must be baptized but one saying that you must be baptized in
> > "Jesus name"
> > and the other saying that you must be baptized in the name of the" Father,
> > Son and
> > the Holy Ghost".  These two factions or divisions causing a great divide
> > among the
> > people and therefore creating more disharmony among the children of God.
> >
> > To me, if one believes in Jesus Christ and him crucified, buried and
> > resurrected
> > then they have the foundation on which our eternal life is based.  All
> > else is
> > icing on the cake.  Never the less the cake is still the same cake.  All
> > are
> > partakers of that one particular cake.  In the natural, some may like
> > lemon icing,
> > others chocolate, pineapple, etc. This is good and suits the various
> > tastebuds but
> > the cake that is under the icing is still the "Bread of Life" which is
> > Jesus
> > Christ.  Is this too simple for us to understand and be able to come
> > together in
> > the true unity of harmoneous worship and praise of a loving God who has
> > given to
> > all of us the same "Bread of Heaven?
> >
> > I submit to you that if we all have the foundation that we say we have,
> > then the
> > outcome must be "True Unity".
> >
> > Blessings,
> >
> > Buena L. Price
> > Lily Of the Valley Evangelistic Ministries, International
> >
> >
> > Klaus Meier wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings to you Lilly of the Valley
> > > many thanks for your words. I agree with all of them. I would like to
> > add
> > > that , yes we are saved by Grace , but we also have to see that this
> > Grace
> > > will bring forth GOOD Fruits. i think this means good works. Sadlyto say
> > ,
> > > even on this issue churches and peoples have separated. Some say by
> > Grace
> > > only others say by works only. I say both together , the rest is human
> > > speculation. i also have no theological training what so ever , but read
> > the
> > > Bible.
> > > I also believe that the desire and the longing for true Unity starts
> > deep
> > > within the heart of a person. It is a call from God through jesus and
> > the
> > > Holy Spirit. This call needs to be followed  and the truths revealed by
> > God
> > > must be put into practice.
> > > A good word is: Halleluja. If we only say Halleluja  and never get any
> > > further in the daily life it is like saying: Have a good meal, when
> > sitting
> > > around a banquet , BUT NEVER getting to eat what is on the table.
> > > Greetings
> > > Klaus Meier
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: lilyofthevalley [SMTP:lilyofthevalley@...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:09 AM
> > > > To:   Klaus Meier
> > > > Subject:      Re: [CU] true unity
> > > >
> > > > Greetings in the Name of OUR Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:
> > > >
> > > > I don't exactly know how to respond to these messages but I have been
> > > > receiving them now for a little over a week and am enjoying what I am
> > > > reading.  I must make a comment about "true unity" as it has been
> > given to
> > > > me.  Firstly, please allow me to say that I do not have a theological
> > > > degree and have not graduated from a Theological Seminary, University,
> > > > College or any institution of higher learning.  I have never written a
> > > > book but know what I know.
> > > >
> > > > The desire for true unity must begin from deep within ourselves.  We
> > must
> > > > first put aside all of our titles, accolades, degrees and whatever and
> > > > begin to accept the plain and simple fact that we are all equals when
> > it
> > > > comes to God and the saving grace of Jesus Christ.  Jesus did not come
> > to
> > > > save only those who had obtained high scholastic averages neither did
> > he
> > > > die to save only those who had studied at the best schools.  Jesus
> > came to
> > > > save those who were lost.  That means all of us who were sinners.  The
> > > > scriptures tell us that "All have sinned and come short of the glory
> > of
> > > > God."  There was no distinctions made between the learned and
> > unlearned,
> > > > the slave and the master, the individual with the "Doctor of Divinity
> > > > Degree" or the illiterate person who has never read a word in his/her
> > > > life.
> > > >
> > > > Denominational barriers are merely an excuse to sub-divide people even
> > > > futher than they have already been divided by their social, economic,
> > > > racial or sexual divisions.  Jesus loves all.  He came that all
> > persons
> > > > would have the opportunity to receive him as Lord and Saviour.  He
> > died
> > > > that all could have a right to the tree of life.
> > > >
> > > > If we can't get along here on earth while we are still in the flesh,
> > how
> > > > will we be able to get along in the "sweet by and by"?  Divisions are
> > not
> > > > of God.  They were thrown in by destructive forces to keep us, God's
> > > > children, bickering and fighting over minute things which really have
> > no
> > > > significance on the "Saving Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ".  We are
> > saved
> > > > through "faith" not by works.
> > > >
> > > > Again, please allow me to reiteriate that "true-unity" comes from
> > within
> > > > and what is on the inside, if planted, watered and grown by the power
> > of
> > > > the Holy Spirit will bring forth "true-unity".
> > > >
> > > > I love you all and so does God
> > > >
> > > > Buena L Price
> > > > Lily Of the Valley Evangelistic Ministries, International
> > > >
> > > >
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