Hello Listers, Since this list isn't discussing Christian Unity, and hasn't for a while, I'm signing off. I'm tired of having my INBOX filled with this divisive nonsense. In Christ, Adam Gonnerman predikanto@... "That they may all be one...so that the world may believe." --Jesus Klaus Meier wrote: > Dear Paul , I also have questions about the same issue. > Please read what I sent to another member of the list > Greetings > Klaus > Dear Lillie of The Valley > Paul , I believe , had a question to what was done in Jericho so many years > ago. > The wars in the OT times had been a great trouble to me , because God and > Jesus where and are and will be one for ever and allways , past present and > future. > There seems to be a contradiction between certain commands God gave in the > OT and what Jesus says about loving the enemy , doing good to those that > hate you and other passages like it. > Then I stumbled across certain passages in the OT : when Moses went up the > Mountain to fetch the 10 comandments, which incidently also say: Thou shall > not kill !!! when Moses came down again |God spoke to the people in a > thunder. The people where afraid and said to Moses: Do not let God speak to > us directly, you speak to God and we will listen to you. We are afraid that > if we hear God speak to us we will die."( from memory). In the deepest sense > this is absolutely true. If I and you and we truly listen to God , and He > speaks to us all the time, that which is from Satan in us , that which is > called The flesh , the inclination to sin , will die. And if we dont realy > want this we will find an alternative way, as usual, and also today. In > those days they said: You Moses listen to God and we will listen to you. > This put Moses as an INTERMEDIARY between the people and God. Oh Horror! > There is only one who can be an intermediary and that is Jesus. > Now Did the people as such ever listen to Moses? Not by what I read . > Allways grumbling , revolting , following other gods ( with a small g) etc > etc. Now can a people who do not listen to God , do His will ? Follow His > comandments? > Then there is another story where it first says: God tempted David to count > his people. David was warned not to do this by his chief general. he counted > them anyway and God let David choose between three punishments. David chose > one of them. Please read it up. And now comes the interesting things. A few > chapters later the same story is told but this time it is Satan who tempts > David. > There is a man called Blumhardt a German pastor worth knowing. he said once > that it is very possible that in those times the distinction in mens hearts > between what and who is God and what and who is satan , was unclear. Good > and Evil where two sides of the same coin and only when Jesus came was this > made clear to all that God is God and there is no darkness in Him , and > satan is Satan the confuser and accuser from the beguinning. > Whom did the people hear when they heard a voice saying: Kill men woman and > children ? Ask yourself. > I have also read a word from a Jewish man who said: God is the same in the > beguinning: Shalom, peace , justice , love. And God is the same at the end: > Shalom, peace , justice and love . Draw a straight line between the > beguinning and the end and that is God . everything that falls away from > this line is something else. > This is just to think about. > When courts of the military claim to have Gods agreement on their "just " > wars , they allways claim the OT as a justification for violence. But then > as today war is war. > By the way have a look at theese two websites > www.WARisHELL.com and > www.CassieBernall.org > > Cassie died when she said YES to the question do you believe in God, and it > was NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! God who told the other two to kill her after she said > YES!!!!!!!! > This truly makes me think. > I do not say I am right, only God is right, but we also need to think and > ask God for clarety. > Warm greetings > Klaus M > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SCREENJASS@... [SMTP:SCREENJASS@...] > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 1999 4:04 PM > > To: Klaus Meier > > Subject: Re: [CU] Joshua and Jericho > > > > In a message dated 9/25/1999 4:30:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > > temackey.jn17.21@... writes: > > > > << I don't know whether your misapplication of scripture is intentional > > or an honest mistake; whether you are honestly struggling with some > > of the most difficult events of Biblical history or whether the same > > voice that whispered in Eve's ear has captured your attention, but the > > passage you cited in Numbers has nothing whatsover to do with Joshua > > and Jericho, but rather with Moses and the Midianites, though the > > results are similar. > > For the Jericho account you need to look in Joshua 6. > > Yours because of Calvary, > > Tom >> > > Yes Tom, my cut and copy from Number was an honest mistake. The two > > accouts > > are very similar in the Bible. My point still stands though, that the > > Jericho story is a terrible story about God's people murdering men, women, > > > > and children and that this story might no be the best story for a theme > > event. The Numbers quote that I mistakenly used was to offer data that > > shows > > that the people of Moses did not always kill everyone to stop a foreign > > entity from infecting the people of Moses. In the Jericho "God ordered" > > slaughter, everyone was killed, in the Midianite "God Ordered" slaughter, > > the > > virgin women were saved for the people of Moses to use. > > > > I am sorry for any confusion this might of caused. > > > > Keep Lookin Up! > > Paul Jass > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to > > <christianunity-unsubscribe@...> > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to <christianunity-unsubscribe@...> >