I think these Abominations are well thought out and purposefull. Three comments... 1) I do not like having StarLots do any sort of "effect" on DC's - the cross may ba able to stand since it is so envolved in the Earth myth. (Perhaps I am over sensitive to this area since I once played in a group which dripped talismans.) This would be a wonderful lie surrounding the creatures, and any player believing the lie would press his StarLot into the creature's flesh... only to have it turn into a shadow stone! 2) How much of the Abomination's particulars are known to the players? There is a LOT of (good) info on the Vamp. How much is AM info only? 3) Can we (should we) link a WR to the stake thing? Excelent ideas! (especially the last paragraph under vamps!) Nathan.