To those who offered dialog tips, thank you. As to this armor thing, I recall a long time ago debating this with Joe. I used the scenario of a DC taking a swipe at the back of an unsuspecting LR's noggin. The question I posed was: Does the DC miss or does it bounce off some unseen force-field? Joe said it missed. This reminds me of some 20th century missionary stories I've heard. One was of a fellow south of the US border (that covers a lot of territory but I can't pinpoint this one better) who was held at gunpoint by a bandit. The bad man had every intention of killing this fellow and proceeded to shoot him point blank in the back. According to the story, the missionary felt the muzzle blast but also heard something hit the ground near his feet. The bandito was likewise perplexed. He shot again with the same result. After a third failed attempt, the missionary turned and asked for the gun. The bandit complied and fell to the ground in fear and awe. He shortly repented and received Christ. If this is a true story (which is possible since through Christ all things are) then glory be to God! If it is a Christian Urban Myth, then at least it serves as an illustration for this DR discussion on the Armor of God. Personally I see no reason to prohibit armor. It serves a purpose. However, if the OLMN requires a person to NOT wear armor, then penalties should apply to their Faith. The same goes for weapons. If the Sword of the Spirit is the only weapon an LR has then he isn't tempted to use it for "mundane combat". Dragons can see our Spiritual Armor. In combat, I think it would be neat for all DC's to see our armor/weapons. The LR would appear as a "mundane" person until the Glory of God manifested itself in a spiritual combat situation. Wouldn't it be telling for an LR to "manifest" his/her spiritual armor according to the strength of the individual items? A beautiful helmet and breastplate but an itty bitty shield. Or perhaps weilding a Butter Knife of the Spirit while your companions display Claymores and Rapiers? For the visual aspects, this poses an interesting ploy. Anyway, I have waxed too long on this email. Cherrio, Brin Tor of Bonnifield Manor