Amen. Derrick "James T. Payne" <stoc@...> wrote: Re: No Way APA site. Every organization has its kooks and extremists. We in the REC have the "Presbyterians with a Prayer Book" crowd, but I wager the APA has some of its own wing nuts in the form of what I call "Missal fundamentalists" who practice an equally extremist, if totally opposite version of Anglicanism. In both cases the motivations are excessive fear and anger which defies logic. It's really too bad that the 5-10% or so of the people on the lunatic fringes of our respective jurisdictions can cause so much grief for the 80-90% who are charitable in their differences and who recognize that we are all supposed to be brothers and sisters in Christ. The fact is that the dynamic tension between the Reformed and Catholic aspects of the Anglican Way provide for a church that is faithful to an approach which is both sacramental and evangelical. In short we can each learn something from the other, and we need each other to be whole. I sometimes think we might all be better off if our (the REC's) quasi-Prsbyterians and the APA's crypto-Romans just went on to their respective destinations and left the rest of us in peace. I for one, invite them to make themselves and the rest of us happy by voting with their feet. They will be missed like a toothache. (Just my personal opinion as a long-time veteran of the churchmanship wars.) (The Rev'd Canon) James T. Payne St. Thomas of Canterbury (REC) Houston, Texas www.stochouston.org faithandlife-digest-help@... wrote: >faithandlife Digest 29 Jan 2006 13:58:14 -0000 Issue 944 > >Topics (messages 11263 through 11289): > >Re: Disturbing Site > 11263 by: The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III > 11264 by: Michael Ward > 11265 by: Derrick L. Hassert > 11270 by: Knox Duncan > >blog site > 11266 by: JEFFREY STEEL > 11267 by: JEFFREY STEEL > 11268 by: Michael Ward > 11269 by: JEFFREY STEEL > 11271 by: Michael Ward > >Re: RSVP:Medjugorje- a rebuttal > 11272 by: GMSpencer.aol.com > >Invocation of the Saints > 11273 by: John S. Longcamp > 11278 by: Frank Warren > 11279 by: GMSpencer.aol.com > 11280 by: Frank Warren > 11281 by: GMSpencer.aol.com > 11283 by: GMSpencer.aol.com > >The Dangers of Unbalancing Anglicanism > 11274 by: Father Chandler Holder Jones > 11275 by: prolife.juno.com > 11276 by: JEFFREY STEEL > 11277 by: Michael Ward > 11282 by: JEFFREY STEEL > >Griffith Thomas on Marian (and other) Intercessions > 11284 by: The Rev. Charles A. Collins, Jr., S.B.R. > 11285 by: GMSpencer.aol.com > 11287 by: The Rev. Charles A. Collins, Jr., S.B.R. > >Re: Edward Pusey on Marian (and other) Intercessions > 11286 by: Derrick L. Hassert > 11288 by: The Rev. Charles A. Collins, Jr., S.B.R. > 11289 by: Mark & Mary Woolsey > >Administrivia: > >To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: > > >To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: > > >To post to the list, e-mail: > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:14:38 -0500 >To: >From: "The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III" >Subject: Re: Disturbing Site >Message-ID: <000601c62365$276ef510$6101a8c0@Johann> > >Do you all know about this site? > >http://www.no-way-apa.net/ > >Why are people doing this sort of thing? Do they really think this is even >vaguely Christian? What about the Matthew 18 principle and many other >commands to deal with differences privately and in a Christian manner? > >J.+ > >The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector >The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. >427 Batesville Road >Simpsonville, SC 29681 >cranmer@... >www.stgeorge-re.org > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:53:38 -0500 >To: >From: "Michael Ward" >Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site >Message-ID: > >That's something, isn't it. But then, since whomever it is that put the >site up has chosen not to put his name on it, one must wonder about his = >-- >or quite possibly her -- credibility. Sort of the Hamas of Christendom. > >MLW+ > >-----Original Message----- >From: The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III = >[mailto:cranmer@...]=20 >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:15 PM >To: faithandlife@... >Subject: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site > >Do you all know about this site? > >http://www.no-way-apa.net/ > >Why are people doing this sort of thing? Do they really think this is = >even=20 >vaguely Christian? What about the Matthew 18 principle and many other=20 >commands to deal with differences privately and in a Christian manner? > >J.+ > >The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector >The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. >427 Batesville Road >Simpsonville, SC 29681 >cranmer@... >www.stgeorge-re.org=20 > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: = >faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:58:20 -0800 (PST) >To: faithandlife@... >From: "Derrick L. Hassert" >Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site >Message-ID: <20060127175821.84637.qmail@...> > >--0-1106044210-1138384700=:83498 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >It seems somewhat obvious that this individual doesn't want to be Anglican (low church or otherwise). I'm not sure he'd even claim the name for himself. We're not Presbyterians with Prayer Books, nor are we 19th century Roman Catholics without the Pope. We are "Protestant and Reformed according to the principles of the ancient Catholic Church" (Bp. Cosin), teaching only that which can be proved from Holy Scripture or that which the ancient catholic fathers and doctors could prove from the same. If we cease to follow these admonitions we cease to be Anglicans (we can either drop off the low end in our deletions from essentials of the Faith or fall off the high end and transform ourselves into 19th century Tridentine Roman Catholics). > > DH > >Michael Ward wrote: > That's something, isn't it. But then, since whomever it is that put the >site up has chosen not to put his name on it, one must wonder about his -- >or quite possibly her -- credibility. Sort of the Hamas of Christendom. > >MLW+ > >-----Original Message----- >From: The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III [mailto:cranmer@...] >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:15 PM >To: faithandlife@... >Subject: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site > >Do you all know about this site? > >http://www.no-way-apa.net/ > >Why are people doing this sort of thing? Do they really think this is even >vaguely Christian? What about the Matthew 18 principle and many other >commands to deal with differences privately and in a Christian manner? > >J.+ > >The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector >The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. >427 Batesville Road >Simpsonville, SC 29681 >cranmer@... >www.stgeorge-re.org > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:36:39 -0600 >To: >From: "Knox Duncan" >Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site >Message-ID: <005b01c62370$9e1121b0$8647fd04@jkd> > >Excellent summation, Derrick! Regards. KnoxDuncan@... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Derrick L. Hassert" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:58 AM >Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site > > > >>It seems somewhat obvious that this individual doesn't want to be Anglican >>(low church or otherwise). I'm not sure he'd even claim the name for >>himself. We're not Presbyterians with Prayer Books, nor are we 19th >>century Roman Catholics without the Pope. We are "Protestant and Reformed >>according to the principles of the ancient Catholic Church" (Bp. Cosin), >>teaching only that which can be proved from Holy Scripture or that which >>the ancient catholic fathers and doctors could prove from the same. If we >>cease to follow these admonitions we cease to be Anglicans (we can either >>drop off the low end in our deletions from essentials of the Faith or fall >>off the high end and transform ourselves into 19th century Tridentine >>Roman Catholics). >> >> DH >> >>Michael Ward wrote: >> That's something, isn't it. But then, since whomever it is that put the >>site up has chosen not to put his name on it, one must wonder about his -- >>or quite possibly her -- credibility. Sort of the Hamas of Christendom. >> >>MLW+ >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III [mailto:cranmer@...] >>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:15 PM >>To: faithandlife@... >>Subject: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site >> >>Do you all know about this site? >> >>http://www.no-way-apa.net/ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:06:19 -0000 >To: >From: "JEFFREY STEEL" >Subject: blog site >Message-ID: <003f01c6236c$6051c6d0$05000100@Anglican> > >Would love to your thoughts on my new blog format. > >js >----- Original Message ----- >From: "The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:14 PM >Subject: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site > > > >>Do you all know about this site? >> >>http://www.no-way-apa.net/ >> >>Why are people doing this sort of thing? Do they really think this is >>even vaguely Christian? What about the Matthew 18 principle and many >>other commands to deal with differences privately and in a Christian >>manner? >> >>J.+ >> >>The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector >>The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. >>427 Batesville Road >>Simpsonville, SC 29681 >>cranmer@... >>www.stgeorge-re.org >> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >> >> >> >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:13:49 -0000 >To: >From: "JEFFREY STEEL" >Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] blog site >Message-ID: <004401c6236d$6c854ac0$05000100@Anglican> > >www.meam-commemorationem.blogspot.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "JEFFREY STEEL" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:06 PM >Subject: [FaithandLife] blog site > > > >>Would love to your thoughts on my new blog format. >> >>js >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:14 PM >>Subject: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site >> >> >> >> >>>Do you all know about this site? >>> >>>http://www.no-way-apa.net/ >>> >>>Why are people doing this sort of thing? Do they really think this is >>>even vaguely Christian? What about the Matthew 18 principle and many >>>other commands to deal with differences privately and in a Christian >>>manner? >>> >>>J.+ >>> >>>The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector >>>The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. >>>427 Batesville Road >>>Simpsonville, SC 29681 >>>cranmer@... >>>www.stgeorge-re.org >>> >>> >>>-- >>>To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>>faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >> >> >> >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:24:00 -0500 >To: >From: "Michael Ward" >Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] blog site >Message-ID: > >Jeffrey: > >I like it and the links are extensive (and great!). But is there any = >reason >the 1928 BCP isn't included with the liturgical links? > >MLW+ > >-----Original Message----- >From: JEFFREY STEEL [mailto:jeffrey.steel1@...]=20 >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:14 PM >To: faithandlife@... >Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] blog site > >www.meam-commemorationem.blogspot.com > >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: "JEFFREY STEEL" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:06 PM >Subject: [FaithandLife] blog site > > > >>Would love to your thoughts on my new blog format. >> >>js >>----- Original Message -----=20 >>From: "The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:14 PM >>Subject: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site >> >> >> >> >>>Do you all know about this site? >>> >>>http://www.no-way-apa.net/ >>> >>>Why are people doing this sort of thing? Do they really think this = >>> >>> >is=20 > > >>>even vaguely Christian? What about the Matthew 18 principle and many = >>> >>> > > > >>>other commands to deal with differences privately and in a Christian=20 >>>manner? >>> >>>J.+ >>> >>>The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector >>>The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. >>>427 Batesville Road >>>Simpsonville, SC 29681 >>>cranmer@... >>>www.stgeorge-re.org >>> >>> >>>-- >>>To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:=20 >>>faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:=20 >>faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >> >>=20 >> >> > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: = >faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:26:41 -0000 >To: >From: "JEFFREY STEEL" >Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] blog site >Message-ID: <000a01c6236f$383d20b0$05000100@Anglican> > >ah, i missed it. sorry about that! i will remedy that. > >js >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Ward" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:24 PM >Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] blog site > >Jeffrey: > >I like it and the links are extensive (and great!). But is there any reason >the 1928 BCP isn't included with the liturgical links? > >MLW+ > >-----Original Message----- >From: JEFFREY STEEL [mailto:jeffrey.steel1@...] >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:14 PM >To: faithandlife@... >Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] blog site > >www.meam-commemorationem.blogspot.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "JEFFREY STEEL" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:06 PM >Subject: [FaithandLife] blog site > > > >>Would love to your thoughts on my new blog format. >> >>js >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:14 PM >>Subject: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site >> >> >> >> >>>Do you all know about this site? >>> >>>http://www.no-way-apa.net/ >>> >>>Why are people doing this sort of thing? Do they really think this is >>>even vaguely Christian? What about the Matthew 18 principle and many >>>other commands to deal with differences privately and in a Christian >>>manner? >>> >>>J.+ >>> >>>The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector >>>The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. >>>427 Batesville Road >>>Simpsonville, SC 29681 >>>cranmer@... >>>www.stgeorge-re.org >>> >>> >>>-- >>>To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>>faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >> >> >> >> > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:33:45 -0500 >To: >From: "Michael Ward" >Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] blog site >Message-ID: > >I appreciate the link to the 1570 Roman Mass. Is there anything = >available >that shows the pre-Tridentine Mass? > >MLW+ > >-----Original Message----- >From: JEFFREY STEEL [mailto:jeffrey.steel1@...]=20 >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:27 PM >To: faithandlife@... >Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] blog site > >ah, i missed it. sorry about that! i will remedy that. > >js >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: "Michael Ward" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:24 PM >Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] blog site > >Jeffrey: > >I like it and the links are extensive (and great!). But is there any = >reason >the 1928 BCP isn't included with the liturgical links? > >MLW+ > >-----Original Message----- >From: JEFFREY STEEL [mailto:jeffrey.steel1@...] >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:14 PM >To: faithandlife@... >Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] blog site > >www.meam-commemorationem.blogspot.com > >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: "JEFFREY STEEL" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:06 PM >Subject: [FaithandLife] blog site > > > >>Would love to your thoughts on my new blog format. >> >>js >>----- Original Message -----=20 >>From: "The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:14 PM >>Subject: [FaithandLife] Re: Disturbing Site >> >> >> >> >>>Do you all know about this site? >>> >>>http://www.no-way-apa.net/ >>> >>>Why are people doing this sort of thing? Do they really think this = >>> >>> >is > > >>>even vaguely Christian? What about the Matthew 18 principle and many >>>other commands to deal with differences privately and in a Christian >>>manner? >>> >>>J.+ >>> >>>The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector >>>The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. >>>427 Batesville Road >>>Simpsonville, SC 29681 >>>cranmer@... >>>www.stgeorge-re.org >>> >>> >>>-- >>>To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>>faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >> >> >> >> > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: = >faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: = >faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: = >faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:53:47 EST >To: faithandlife@... >From: GMSpencer@... >Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] RSVP:Medjugorje- a rebuttal >Message-ID: <5b.793b3f5b.310bf06b@...> > >--part1_5b.793b3f5b.310bf06b_boundary >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 1/26/06 8:41:31 PM, gdvw@... writes: > > > >>but who can deny that God's >>Mother can do what she will where she will and how she will. >> >> >> > >True, as long as we keep in mind her own fiat: "Let it be unto me according >to thy word." That's pretty close to "not my will, but thine be done." Also >pretty close to the Baptist: "he must increase, I must decrease." >gms+ > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:03:14 -0700 >To: >From: "John S. Longcamp" >Subject: Invocation of the Saints >Message-ID: <02a201c623b7$62608d80$849fe404@John> > >------=_NextPart_000_029F_01C6237C.B4FDDA10 === message truncated === --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. -- To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@...