Have you ever seen a Jewish mother "hopping mad"?  Not a pretty picture....

MLW+

-----Original Message-----
From: The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III [mailto:cranmer@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:03 AM
To: faithandlife@...
Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession

Ha!  If that is true for all the saints, then the Blessed Virgin must really

be mad!

The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector
The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E.
427 Batesville Road
Simpsonville, SC 29681
cranmer@...
www.stgeorge-re.org
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ward" <mward@...>
To: <faithandlife@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession


Johann+

I thought about Saul and Samuel after I send the question.  I also remember
that Samuel was none-too-happy about being "disturbed."

MLW+

-----Original Message-----
From: The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III [mailto:cranmer@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:57 AM
To: faithandlife@...
Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession

The only instance of "saintly interecession" in the OT that I know of is
King Saul's petition of Samuel through the medium.  there are a number of
interesting things to note in that particular passage:

1)  Saul truly believed that Samuel could be petitioned;
2) Saul truly believed that Samuel would know and therefore be able to
advise, exhort, warn or, as it turns out, rebuke him;
3)  Samuel is actually aware of and able to speak about a situation long
after his decease;
4)  Samuel is able to discern the will of God after his decease and also
able to prophesy concerning the future of one who was not yet deceased.

I'm sure there is more there, but that's all I can think of right now...

Another strange (but perhaps unrelated story) is that of the corpse that was

revived/resurrected after touching the bones of Elisha (cf. 2 Kings 13:21).
Maybe there is some truth about relics and miracles...no?

The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector
The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E.
427 Batesville Road
Simpsonville, SC 29681
cranmer@...
www.stgeorge-re.org
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ward" <mward@...>
To: <faithandlife@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession


> But Wayne+, you and the rest who've asked the question about whether or
> not
> the dearly departed in the Church "Expectant" can hear us have asked a
> very
> good one.  I guess something that might shed some light on it might be
> what
> the Jews of the old dispensation believed.  Any Judaic scholars out there?
>
> MLW+
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne McNamara [mailto:wayne.mcnamara@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:27 AM
> To: faithandlife@...
> Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession
>
> Good point, padre.
>
> Wayne+
>
>
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