My mother was of Jewish extraction - her mother was Jewish (explains the nose, doesn't it?)...no, it is not a pretty site...not one I woudl like of the Blessed Virgin either... The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. 427 Batesville Road Simpsonville, SC 29681 cranmer@... www.stgeorge-re.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Ward" <mward@...> To: <faithandlife@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession Have you ever seen a Jewish mother "hopping mad"? Not a pretty picture.... MLW+ -----Original Message----- From: The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III [mailto:cranmer@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:03 AM To: faithandlife@... Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession Ha! If that is true for all the saints, then the Blessed Virgin must really be mad! The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. 427 Batesville Road Simpsonville, SC 29681 cranmer@... www.stgeorge-re.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Ward" <mward@...> To: <faithandlife@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession Johann+ I thought about Saul and Samuel after I send the question. I also remember that Samuel was none-too-happy about being "disturbed." MLW+ -----Original Message----- From: The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III [mailto:cranmer@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:57 AM To: faithandlife@... Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession The only instance of "saintly interecession" in the OT that I know of is King Saul's petition of Samuel through the medium. there are a number of interesting things to note in that particular passage: 1) Saul truly believed that Samuel could be petitioned; 2) Saul truly believed that Samuel would know and therefore be able to advise, exhort, warn or, as it turns out, rebuke him; 3) Samuel is actually aware of and able to speak about a situation long after his decease; 4) Samuel is able to discern the will of God after his decease and also able to prophesy concerning the future of one who was not yet deceased. I'm sure there is more there, but that's all I can think of right now... Another strange (but perhaps unrelated story) is that of the corpse that was revived/resurrected after touching the bones of Elisha (cf. 2 Kings 13:21). Maybe there is some truth about relics and miracles...no? The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E. 427 Batesville Road Simpsonville, SC 29681 cranmer@... www.stgeorge-re.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Ward" <mward@...> To: <faithandlife@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession > But Wayne+, you and the rest who've asked the question about whether or > not > the dearly departed in the Church "Expectant" can hear us have asked a > very > good one. I guess something that might shed some light on it might be > what > the Jews of the old dispensation believed. Any Judaic scholars out there? > > MLW+ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne McNamara [mailto:wayne.mcnamara@...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:27 AM > To: faithandlife@... > Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Saintly Intercession > > Good point, padre. > > Wayne+ > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > > -- To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@... -- To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@... -- To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@... -- To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: faithandlife-unsubscribe@...