[faithandlife] Re: [FaithandLife] Griffith Thomas on Marian intersessions

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From: "The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III" <cranmer@...>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:52:00 -0500
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The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III, Rector
The Anglican Church of St. George the Martyr, R.E.
427 Batesville Road
Simpsonville, SC 29681
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick L. Hassert" <dlhassert@...>
To: <faithandlife@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] Griffith Thomas on Marian intersessions


> Bicknell's book on the Articles does an excellent job of providing the 
> historical/theological case for and against asking the intercession of the 
> saints. Very objective (in my opinion).
>
>  DH
>
> Brad Cunningham <fatherbrad@...> wrote:
>  > "In the face of the full, deep, rich teaching of Holy Scripture
>> concerning the direct approach of the soul to God, and the numerous
>> invitations to 'draw near with assurance of faith,' anything short of
>> this really amounts to distrust and disobedience." -- The Rev. W.H.
>> Griffith Thomas, D.D.
>>
>> Soli Deo Gloria!
>>
>> Drew
>
>
> Friends,
>
> Would G-T also mean to say that asking any saint to pray for us is 
> distrust and disobedience? Does this mean that asking my pastor or my wife 
> to pray for me is disobedience and distrust? Of course not. Intercession 
> is part of our responsibility.
>
> As to Blessed Mary's (and the other saints in glory) omniscience, of 
> course she and they are not. However, surely she and they no longer see 
> through a glass darkly, their minds, intellects, and reason clouded by sin 
> and death - but they see clearly and know fully, just as they are fully 
> known. It is no mere speculation to assume that, in glory, the saints know 
> us far more than we can know them, and that they have a far greater 
> understanding of our plight, and pray for us and God's assistance for us 
> (Rev. 6). (BTW, the Bible also says that the Angels also know us and pray 
> for us, taking our prayers like insence to the Father.)
>
> So, though one may prefer to go it alone, what harm is there in asking a 
> fellow follower of Jesus Christ to pray?
>
> And when we ask, do we not ask those who, by virtue of their faith and 
> righteousnes, have demonstrated a closeness to God? I know I do. I go 
> straight to my friends that I know are godly prayer-warriors. So...
>
> Anyway. These are just a few of the arguements that keep arising and I'd 
> like your help in considering them.
>
> Brad+
>
>
>
>
> Rev. Brad Cunningham+
> St. Timothy's Church
> Jonesboro, AR
>
> www.sttimothysrec.org
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