Brothers+ Check out the most comprehensive creed I have ever had the misfortune to stumble on. http://faith.propadeutic.com/declaration.html Poor fellow was obviously born in the wrong century. He would have served well in the Long Parliament! His section on the 5th commandment consumes 4 pages of declarations. Here is a sample. I declare that we fail to lead responsibly if we dissuade, discourage, forbid, or punish the good and responsible works of our inferiors. I declare that we fail to lead responsibly if we advise, encourage, command, or reward unlawful or inappropriate works of our inferiors. I declare that we fail to lead responsibly if we command things which our inferiors are unable to perform. I declare that we fail to lead responsibly if we leave our inferiors to wrong, temptation, or danger through improper supervision or provision for their safety. I declare that we fail to lead responsibly if we correct our inferiors hastily, unduly, or in excess, or otherwise provoke them to wrath. I declare that we fail to lead responsibly if we usurp authority over those not under our legitimate charge. Such scrupulosity would keep me from leaving the driveway. And all of this talk of "inferiors", did he think himself to be in INDJA in the 19th century? And to think, I used to feel that the Nicene Creed was a bit too long. Cheers! Charles+