So be it, Fr. Wiebe. You can dish out pejoratives--"devils, heretics, holy rollers, etc."-- but you whine loudly when I write, "Those who accept the infallibility of either Robertson or Benedict, IMHO, are equally ignorant." Please note that I am comparing those who blindly and superstitiously FOLLOW those celebrities. Obviously we differ exponentially in our definitions of "offensive" and "obscene." The rampant pedophilia and homosexuality infecting the Roman church and its hypocritical coverup better fit my definition of "obscenity." Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever heard even the mildest criticism from you of such widespread clerical aberration, which, by bankrupting dioceses, has fraudlently wasted the resources of millions of devout parishioners. A report today on PBS quoted a disillusioned Catholic in Boston: "The bishops have just been using bandaids on sores, and it's time for the people to disassociate. Until the infection is removed from the bloodstream, the morbid symptoms of the disease will continue to break out." (Paraphrase) Regards. KnoxDuncan@... P.S. In your subject line, you imply the cliche that "you can't add apples and oranges." O yes you can! Just change the classification...favorite snacks, etc. You, not I, are the one talking about "pieces of fruit." ---- Original Message ----- From: "The Rev GDVWiebe SSC.,PhD" <gdvw@...> To: <faithandlife@...> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: [FaithandLife] Oranges and Rotten Apples > >To compare Pat Robertson with Pope Benedict XVI is offensive and obscene. > The only thing those two have in common is that they both are inhabitants > of ploanet Earth and are warm blooded mammals! Blessings. GDVW+ > > > Of course, Robertson appeals to the ignorant, Fr. Scott. I long ago came >> to >> that conclusion as I did about other denominations too. Here's an >> ancient >> quotation: "The view that the sun stands motionless at the center of the >> universe is foolish, philosophically false, utterly HERETICAL, because it >> is >> contrary to Holy Scripture. The view that he earth is not the center of >> the >> universe and even has a daily rotation is philosophically false..." Holy >> Office, Roman Catholic Church, decrying the proposition that Earth >> orbited >> the Sun, 5 March 1616." The difference now is that challenging Robertson >> and Roman absurdities openly doesn't mean the stake, thanks be to God and >> the Reformation. Those who accept the infallibility of either Robertson >> or >> Benedict, IMHO, are equally ignorant. The word "heretical" is one that >> I >> cringe to hear hurled about nonchalantly by those who claim to have >> pipeline >> to Almighty God. In the case of Rome, what could be more heretical than >> preaching celibacy and practicing...well...you name it. "Vipers," our >> Lord >> called the Pharisees. Episcopalians, apparently, can't tell a bishop >> from >> a queen, but at least they do preach what they practice. Regards. >> KnoxDuncan@... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "charles scott" <crscottblu@...> >> To: <faithandlife@...> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:22 PM >> Subject: [FaithandLife] PLEASE MAKE IT STOP >> >> >>> Fr. Houser+ >>> >>> Generally speaking I'm in favor of free speech, but in >>> Robertson's case wouldn't it be neat to see some >>> medieval restraints applied? >>> >>> Fr. Wiebe reminded us of Robertson's investments. >>> This sad story of abuse of Christianity by the TV >>> evangelists has been too long with us. >>> >>> More than 40 years ago an Ohioan, Rex Humbug, er, er, >>> Rex Humbard, erected "The Cathedral of Tomorrow" and a >>> radio TV network that was broadcast world wide, >>> attendant with miracle healings, people falling over >>> in the aisles, etc. An investigative reporter alleged >>> that he had shills bringing in people who for a fee >>> would feign various illness and incapacities to be >>> miraculously cured on tv. Throw away the crutches and >>> say amen! >>> >>> He also had a women's lingerie factory and other >>> investments. When asked my opinion of that ministry, >>> my response was, "The Cathedral of Tomorrow and >>> Brassiere factory puts on quite a show." No slander >>> there, just the facts ma'm. >>> >>> He did put on quite a show. After building the >>> largest church in Akron, Ohio (seated over 5,000 >>> people), he added a restaurant and was building a >>> communications tower when his financial dealings >>> caught up with him and he had to sell the Cathedral to >>> Rev. Angley's ministry. The exposure of the >>> shennigans of Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggert may have >>> caused sufficient drying up of donations to force the >>> sale. >>> >>> He eventually left Ohio, and I think began some >>> "independent churches" (oxymoron)in Florida and at >>> last report, still doing guest appearances and >>> preaching. At least he didn't wind up in jail. >>> >>> Some wag referred to TV Evangelism as the new Tower of >>> Babble. >>> >>> Sounds right to me. >>> >>> Of course the shows must go on and on. The following >>> post from a devotee of TV religion proves P.T. >>> Barnum's dictum to be true, or does it cause us to >>> marvel at the way "all things work together . . . .?" >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> Charles+ >>> >>> "---------------------------------- >>> >>> THE GREAT MEN OF GOD,APOSTLES, IN THIS CENTURY ARE 1. >>> REX HUMBARD, 2. ORAL ROBERTS, 3. BILLY GRAHAM, 4. >>> BENNY HINN, 5. PAT ROBERTSON. LORD BLESS YOUR >>> APPOINTED MINISTERS OF THE 2O CENTURY WITH LONG LIFE >>> AND GOOD HEALTH. THANK YOU, FATHER GOD, FOR GIVING US >>> EXAMPLES OF GREAT FAITH AND CHARACTER. FATHER, APPOINT >>> THOSE YOUNG MEN WHO SEE VISIONS, AND OLD MEN WHO DREAM >>> DREAMS, THAT WE YOUR FRIENDS AND FOLLOWERS WILL >>> CONTINUE TO BE FED BY YOUR APPOINTED APOSTLES. AMEN >>> >>> "------------------------- >>> >>> Guess that sets us straight? >>> C.S. >>> >>> --- JHouser943@... wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 1/9/2007 > >>>> Pat Robertson Predicts 'Mass Killing' >>>> >>>> Updated: 5:32 a.m. ET Jan 3, 2007 from msnbc >>>> VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - In what has become an annual >>>> tradition of prognostications, religious broadcaster >>>> Pat Robertson said Tuesday God has told him that a >>>> terrorist attack on the United States would result >>>> in "mass killing" late in 2007. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is an embarrassment. Didn't Robertson also >>>> reveal to us that God had told him it was going to >>> be an especially brutal hurricane season this past >>>> year? Makes you wonder what god Robertson is >>>> listening to. >>>> >>>> Please make it stop! >>>> >>>> J. 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