Michael+ Strangely, in spite of his skepticism about the groups formed in rebellion to TEC, Ephraim Radner may find his "Hope Among the Fragments." In three of his less opaque paragraphs under the heading 'The Figural Discipline of the Hopeful Church' Radner wrote the following. BEGINNING OF LONG QUOTE ". . .the issue at stake in assuming the stance of hope that constitutes the fruit of apprehending scriptural providence in the first place -- a stance whose power to transform lives into the figure of God's redemptive will would place us in the form of Christ's own mind (Phil 2:5-8). Such subjection to the subject servant, obedient to a deathly judgment because of the hope that was in him, is the very end of the Church's faithful self-perception within the unfolding of history's scriptural identity. All of Scripture --because all is Christ's -- becomes the life of the Church, its form, its destiny, its meaning. And the proper way to look at the Church, in this providential context, is a form-taker and form-giver within the breadth of Scripture itself, whose meaning is always receptive of the words that Christ himself enunciates within the echoing chambers of time's divinely collected objects." "Such a context of ecclesial life ought to attenuate radically the enormous anxieties that so consistently drive the Church and its members into historical spasms of desperation -- anxieties over material stability and personal moral congruence and doctrinal coherence. While the concerns themselves are usually well founded, their ability to engender decisions of disorder represents a failure of witness to the providential character of the Church's connoted life in Christ. It is his form that draws all forms of ecclesial existence into a unity of purpose. And both the singular nature of that form and its scriptural diversity of meaning, gathered together in his cross and resurrection, create the patience by which the Church's identity gains its integrity in suffering time and time's objects, rather than manipulating them." "In our day the realities of church disunity, of disputed moral disciplines or ecclesial decision-making, of confused scriptural reading or even missionary purposes, drive Christians into postures of competing aggressions and exhausted surrenders, as individuals and groups seek to reformulate and apply the criterion of quantified integrity to their common life and ministry. Yet as a connoted sign of Christ's own form the Church cannot be an instrumental tool, but only a revelatory form of its own. The Church’s witness of hope, and indeed the hopefulness of its promised future, is given in its disclosure of Christ in time; and Christian faithfulness is revealed in the subjection of life to this inescapable sway of the Church's disclosive work." END QUOTE FROM "Hope among the Fragments" p. 17,18, Taking his words and extrapolating them into the future, Ephraim Radner's premises would view the death of the Church as Providential as the death of our Lord. We all know there have been many dyings and risings again of the Body of Christ in the past two millennia. I don't like the schismatic doings of Christians since the Reformation and the proliferation of "Anglican" communions in our country in our time. However, I see FACA and those in such federations as being in the succession of Ezekiel, repeating God's question,” Can these bones live?" It doesn't take much to make me happy. I'm ecstatic that brothers from CANA, from Frank Lyon's jurisdiction and others in Indiana are willing to meet and talk about what we can do as pastors to "bind up the broken hearted." I think, as a result of the responses, that jurisdictions and guarding one's turf are not the main considerations of my brothers. It may be that the proliferation of jurisdictions and bishops is not a bad thing. It may be the proliferation of communions in the Providence of God is akin to the lifeboats on the Titanic just as our bishops said in the 1970's. Radner suggests we have the virtue of patience. I think he is right. Charles+ --- Michael Ward <mward@...> wrote: > Charles+ > > I believe you've hit the nail on the head when you > said that there will be > few orthodox left in TEC to even attempt any > last-minute efforts to stem the > tide. That's always the problem when there is mass > migration out of a > church that's lost her moorings: there's no one left > to return her to her > course. TEC is now a classic example. The sad > thing is that there is no > unified orthodox front either. The alphabet soup > of > continuing/schismatic/whatever-you-want-to-call-it > groups simply continues > to multiply and, aside from a few efforts like FACA > to try to bring them > back together, few of them want to seriously sit > down at an intra-mural > ecumenical table to try to knit themselves > (ourselves?) into one cohesive > orthodox whole. The best we've been able to do is > forge alliances while > maintaining our independent provinces. If that's as > good as it's ever going > to get, what are we going to pass to the next > generation? ... assuming > there's anything to pass. > > MLW+ > > ================== > Five years ago, some of our brothers wondered aloud > whether it was better for the orthodox to stay in > TEC > and work for reform or to come out and build anew. > That was before the Titanic entered its final plunge > into the depths. Now it appears there will be few > conservatives remaining to sing "Nearer my God to > Thee." > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > faithandlife-unsubscribe@... > >