[faithandlife] Re: [FaithandLife] RSVP/RSVP PATHETIC: GLOBAL ANGLICAN FUTURE - JERUSALEM 2008

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From: "The Rev GDVWiebe SSC.,PhD" <gdvw@...>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:54:27 -0700 (PDT)
> It is about civil rights/justice and equality in the civil sphere. Its
no joke and is not a fixation. Blessings. GDVW+Thanks for a most
interesting and enlightening addition to this discussion
> of "marriage"!
>
> John+
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>   From: gmspencer@...
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>   Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:23 PM
>   Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] RSVP/RSVP PATHETIC: GLOBAL ANGLICAN FUTURE -
> JERUSALEM 2008
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>     The meaning of marriage was understood by all.  It does absolutely
> nothing for the stability of society to change the meaning of language
> to accomodate the few who aren't capable of marriage.
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>   I don't mean to butt in when you guys seem to having so much fun, but I
> would like to point out that the constant use of the word "marriage" may
> be problematic.  Our word is "matrimony" not "marriage." In the Form of
> Solemnization of Matrimony on page 303, the BCP declares that Christian
> matrimony is a state of being between one man and one woman that
> represents “the spiritual marriage and unity betwixt Christ and the
> Church…” The word “matrimony” comes from the Latin
> “matrimonium,” which was derived from the word for “material” or
> “substance.” “Substance” is simply that from which things are
> made. The Latin “mater,” which translated means “mother,” means
> the same thing. All of us were made from our mothers. In the Nicene
> Creed* when we profess that Jesus Christ “was incarnate by the Holy
> Ghost of the Virgin Mary” we are, by professing the “of,”
> declaring our belief that the very material or substance of Christ’s
> humanity came from his mother Mary. Matrimony means Motherhood. It is
> important to note that the man and the woman enter a state matrimony,
> not patrimony. According to the logic of the liturgy of the BCP a maiden
> (how quaint is that word!) enters the state of motherhood when she is
> married, not when (and if) she actually, biologically, conceives and
> bears children. The Form of Solemnization of Matrimony bestows the grace
> of “motherhood,” so that she may walk faithfully in that vocation.
> Children do not make a mother; God makes the mother so that children
> have a mother to come to. Our use of the word "marriage" is, in my
> opinion, a capitulation that allows the state to set the terms of this
> debate. Of course I could be wrong.
>   gms+
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