>It would seem that if anyone actually defends the Catholic Faith then one is 'uncivil'. So be it. GDVW+ If you think my voice is strident oh well. The fact of the matter is that > I > defended Fr. Wiebe and others who were under personal attack. > > Nobody here was attacking Canon Payne. > > > My feeling is that many who write emails would in a face to face meeting > take a much different approach. > > As it always gets personal. The bishops and all need to have a serious > theological discussion, and more > > This is my point exactly. Serious theological discussion will not happen > in > these email chats. It is way too easy to attack people or point them out > (fairly or not) in these venues. Sad as it is. > > I phone other priests now and then to talk. It has been my experience > that > it works out better whether we agree or not. > > Not looking into a mans eye or hearing his voice makes many gain a shallow > bravado with their opinions. > Agreed to or not. > > There is always the possibility that the factions of Anglicanism or those > who call themselves such may never > come to terms. Maybe the best we can do is be polite and congenial. > That > is itself is not half bad. > > Blessings > JAD+ > > And FYI..do you call this civil? I sure don't > > In several postings, Father Wiebe posits his "bedrock" "objective"formula > for salvation: The "sine qua non" is "valid" Ordination (by "Apostolic > Succession" only), resulting in "valid" Sacraments, resulting in Grace, > resulting > in "guaranteed" Salvation." (The "Brown Scapular," apparently a trump > card, > will get you a seat on "the big blue bus to Heaven." Wow! "Ex Opere > Operato" > in full bloom! (Is the Grace is "resistable" or not?) When Southern > Baptists were mentioned, I remembered the much-publicized words of a > pastor of the > First Baptist Church in San Antonio--a megachurch by the way : > "Ordination is > the laying of empty hands upon empty heads." If Father Wiebe's > definition > really holds, I'd have to say that the Baptist has a point. Regards. X > _KnoxDuncan@..._ (mailto:KnoxDuncan@...) > P.S.: Has Father Wiebe been reading the Puritan poet, John Milton, in > the > closet? So far as I can tell, "Lucifer" is mentioned in the Bible only > once > (Isaiah 14:12). "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the > morning! how art thou cut to the ground, which didst weaken the > nations." The > Hebrew word translated "Lucifer" means "day star." The name "Lucifer" is > not > synonymous with "Satan," which means "adversary." (Jewish authorities say > that > the Jews learned the names of angels in Babylon.) The story of > "Lucifer," > of course, is elaborated in Milton's famed, "Paradise Lost." > > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > faithandlife-unsubscribe@... >