Brothers,
I thought I would throw in a "red herring" about the Robinson situation to
give us something to think about, especially with our relationships with
ECUSA and the "Official" Anglican Communion.
Robinson is actually a proper object for consecration. He is man. The fact
that he is a "notorious" sinner does not affect this. The women that have
been "consecrated" and "ordained" are not proper objects for the sacrament
therefore we don't recognize them as such. But by our sacramental
understanding of Holy Orders, Robinson will be a Bishop when consecrated and
we have to recognize as such when it happens.
What think ye?
Erich+
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Clavier+" <anglican@...>
To: <faithandlife@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:59 AM
Subject: [FaithandLife] Election
> Y'all,
>
> For any who care, I have been keeping track of how the votes are lining up
> with regards to the confirmation of the election of Gene Robinson at
Ecusa's
> General Convention. Obviously, if it is approved it will dramatically
> affect our ecumenical talks with the Episcopal Church. Because of the
> nature of those clerical and lay delegates who go to convention (ie those
> either wealthy enough or activist enough to devote two and half weeks to
> Convention) there is no doubt that Robinson will be approved by the House
of
> Delegates. The vote in the House of Bishops will be much closer. At
> present, it stands as 22 for approval, 29 against, and 58 undeclared. A
> simple majority of 53 is needed for approval.
>
> As of now, approval of liturgies for same-sex unions has about as much of
a
> chance of being approved as Mike+ and Paul+ have of singing at the Met!
>
> Mark+
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles scott" <charlesrscott@...>
> To: <faithandlife@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:45 AM
> Subject: [FaithandLife] PRAYER BEFORE LECTIO DIVINA --The Story
>
>
> >
> > --------- Original Message ---------
> >
> > DATE: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:40:27
> > From: "Mark Clavier+" <anglican@...>
> > >Mike+,
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Fr. Mark wrote:
> >
> > Mike+,
> >
> > I spent my entire Bible Study on this yesterday, but from a different
> angle. I first instructed them about worldviews, or metanrratives, and how
> they dominate our perception of reality. I then explained to them that we
> are now moving from an Enlightenment worldview to a postmodern one, and
how,
> in postmodernity, the story or the narrative is everything. In a sense
this
> is less a development than a restoration.
> >
> > When you look at Acts, you don't find Peter, Stephen, and Paul teaching
> doctrine. Almost always they tell a story, and almost always, that story
is
> the epic of Israel culminating in the death and resurrection of Jesus.
> >
> > This is very different then how we have proceeded with teaching the
faith
> for the past 300 years (and more especially the past 100). During this
> time, doctrine was the thing taught.
> > <snip>
> >
> > In the postmodern world, the Church is going to have to get back to the
> story. Doctrine remains important, not because it gives us a bunch a
rules
> about God and ourselves, but BECAUSE it tells us how to read and live out
> that story correctly. And by reading and living out the Biblical
> metanarrative (to which I would add the history of the Church) that
people's
> lives will be shaped and their faith nurtured.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Mark+
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Mark+
> >
> > Your post resonates with me. The manner you described your Bible Study
> reminded me of the professor I referred to in my last post, and the person
> who has had the most influence on the manner in which I try to teach.
> >
> > He was a graduate of a Disciple of Christ Seminary and had a B.D. from
> Harvard as well. He was near the end of his long career when I had the
> pleasure of being led by him in the study of Greek and Gospels. Though he
> was well past retirement age, he still had the ability to be excited by
his
> studies, which he continued. In the mid 1950's, I recall his excitement
> about the discoveries at Qumran and the texts as they appeared.
> >
> > He was not typical of Bible fundamentalists of the mid last century. His
> thorough knowledge of the history of the times made his descriptions of
> scenes in the life of Christ vivid, compelling and believable. That is
why,
> when I found N.T. Wright's books, they excited me for here was an Anglican
> who knew how to tell the story.
> >
> > My Gospel professor would draw a class of a 150 into the story. He was
> capable of anger and tears and unashamed of showing emotion in the midst
of
> an eloquent exposition. His classes were the best attended, with more
> people signing on than there was space available in normal classrooms.
> Arrangements had to be made to hold his classes in large halls. Some
would
> repeat as auditors year after year, so as to miss nothing in his 4-year
> cycle of Gospel lectures. The man was demanding. Laziness was not
> tolerated. He expected a person asking a question to be able to stand up
to
> an oral examination in front of his peers as to how much he had read, from
> what sources, and his understanding of the material. He personally read
all
> papers and his critiques included corrections of grammar and punctuation
as
> well as clarity and comprehension of the subject. I still prize a paper
> written 45 years ago that has his signature and a "well done" comment,
more
> highly valued by his students t
> > han our Diplomas.
> >
> > Your line "the story or the narrative is everything. In a sense this is
> less a development than a restoration" would have brought a bright smile
and
> a nod of the head, and a hearty amen from the old man who impressed on us
> how important restoring telling of the story is in our times. The story
is
> everything.
> >
> > Charles+
> >
> > --------------------------------
> >
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