Erich+ Wouldn't he be a bishop who should not receive Communion (even at hiw own consecration) until..."he has truly repented and amended his former evil life, etc..." (pg. 84-85 BCP). Ralph+ "St. Mary's Church, Delray Beach" <stmary@...> wrote: >Brothers, > >I thought I would throw in a "red herring" about the Robinson situation to >give us something to think about, especially with our relationships with >ECUSA and the "Official" Anglican Communion. > >Robinson is actually a proper object for consecration. He is man. The fact >that he is a "notorious" sinner does not affect this. The women that have >been "consecrated" and "ordained" are not proper objects for the sacrament >therefore we don't recognize them as such. But by our sacramental >understanding of Holy Orders, Robinson will be a Bishop when consecrated and >we have to recognize as such when it happens. > >What think ye? > >Erich+ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Clavier+" <anglican@...> >To: <faithandlife@...> >Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:59 AM >Subject: [FaithandLife] Election > > >> Y'all, >> >> For any who care, I have been keeping track of how the votes are lining up >> with regards to the confirmation of the election of Gene Robinson at >Ecusa's >> General Convention. Obviously, if it is approved it will dramatically >> affect our ecumenical talks with the Episcopal Church. Because of the >> nature of those clerical and lay delegates who go to convention (ie those >> either wealthy enough or activist enough to devote two and half weeks to >> Convention) there is no doubt that Robinson will be approved by the House >of >> Delegates. The vote in the House of Bishops will be much closer. At >> present, it stands as 22 for approval, 29 against, and 58 undeclared. A >> simple majority of 53 is needed for approval. >> >> As of now, approval of liturgies for same-sex unions has about as much of >a >> chance of being approved as Mike+ and Paul+ have of singing at the Met! >> >> Mark+ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "charles scott" <charlesrscott@...> >> To: <faithandlife@...> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:45 AM >> Subject: [FaithandLife] PRAYER BEFORE LECTIO DIVINA --The Story >> >> >> > >> > --------- Original Message --------- >> > >> > DATE: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:40:27 >> > From: "Mark Clavier+" <anglican@...> >> > >Mike+, >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > Fr. Mark wrote: >> > >> > Mike+, >> > >> > I spent my entire Bible Study on this yesterday, but from a different >> angle. I first instructed them about worldviews, or metanrratives, and how >> they dominate our perception of reality. I then explained to them that we >> are now moving from an Enlightenment worldview to a postmodern one, and >how, >> in postmodernity, the story or the narrative is everything. In a sense >this >> is less a development than a restoration. >> > >> > When you look at Acts, you don't find Peter, Stephen, and Paul teaching >> doctrine. Almost always they tell a story, and almost always, that story >is >> the epic of Israel culminating in the death and resurrection of Jesus. >> > >> > This is very different then how we have proceeded with teaching the >faith >> for the past 300 years (and more especially the past 100). During this >> time, doctrine was the thing taught. >> > <snip> >> > >> > In the postmodern world, the Church is going to have to get back to the >> story. Doctrine remains important, not because it gives us a bunch a >rules >> about God and ourselves, but BECAUSE it tells us how to read and live out >> that story correctly. And by reading and living out the Biblical >> metanarrative (to which I would add the history of the Church) that >people's >> lives will be shaped and their faith nurtured. >> > >> > <snip> >> > >> > Mark+ >> > ------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > Mark+ >> > >> > Your post resonates with me. The manner you described your Bible Study >> reminded me of the professor I referred to in my last post, and the person >> who has had the most influence on the manner in which I try to teach. >> > >> > He was a graduate of a Disciple of Christ Seminary and had a B.D. from >> Harvard as well. He was near the end of his long career when I had the >> pleasure of being led by him in the study of Greek and Gospels. Though he >> was well past retirement age, he still had the ability to be excited by >his >> studies, which he continued. In the mid 1950's, I recall his excitement >> about the discoveries at Qumran and the texts as they appeared. >> > >> > He was not typical of Bible fundamentalists of the mid last century. His >> thorough knowledge of the history of the times made his descriptions of >> scenes in the life of Christ vivid, compelling and believable. That is >why, >> when I found N.T. Wright's books, they excited me for here was an Anglican >> who knew how to tell the story. >> > >> > My Gospel professor would draw a class of a 150 into the story. He was >> capable of anger and tears and unashamed of showing emotion in the midst >of >> an eloquent exposition. His classes were the best attended, with more >> people signing on than there was space available in normal classrooms. >> Arrangements had to be made to hold his classes in large halls. Some >would >> repeat as auditors year after year, so as to miss nothing in his 4-year >> cycle of Gospel lectures. The man was demanding. Laziness was not >> tolerated. He expected a person asking a question to be able to stand up >to >> an oral examination in front of his peers as to how much he had read, from >> what sources, and his understanding of the material. He personally read >all >> papers and his critiques included corrections of grammar and punctuation >as >> well as clarity and comprehension of the subject. I still prize a paper >> written 45 years ago that has his signature and a "well done" comment, >more >> highly valued by his students t >> > han our Diplomas. >> > >> > Your line "the story or the narrative is everything. In a sense this is >> less a development than a restoration" would have brought a bright smile >and >> a nod of the head, and a hearty amen from the old man who impressed on us >> how important restoring telling of the story is in our times. The story >is >> everything. >> > >> > Charles+ >> > >> > -------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! >> > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 >> > >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to >> <faithandlife-unsubscribe@...> >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to ><faithandlife-unsubscribe@...> >> > > >-- >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to <faithandlife-unsubscribe@...> > > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455