How about having Robinson"consecrated" by Barb Harris, Jane Dixon and the "bishop" of NH? Kenneth+
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Brothers,

I thought I would throw in a "red herring" about the Robinson situation to give us something to think about, especially with our relationships with ECUSA and the "Official" Anglican Communion.

Robinson is actually a proper object for consecration. He is man. The fact that he is a "notorious" sinner does not affect this. The women that have been "consecrated" and "ordained" are not proper objects for the sacrament therefore we don't recognize them as such. But by our sacramental understanding of Holy Orders, Robinson will be a Bishop when consecrated and we have to recognize as such when it happens.

What think ye?

Erich+

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Clavier+" <anglican@...>
To: <faithandlife@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:59 AM
Subject: [FaithandLife] Election


> Y'all,
>
> For any who care, I have been keeping track of how the votes are lining up
> with regards to the confirmation of the election of Gene Robinson at Ecusa's
> General Convention.  Obviously, if it is approved it will dramatically
> affect our ecumenical talks with the Episcopal Church.  Because of the
> nature of those clerical and lay delegates who go to convention (ie those
> either wealthy enough or activist enough to devote two and half weeks to
> Convention) there is no doubt that Robinson will be approved by the House of
> Delegates.  The vote in the House of Bishops will be much closer.  At
> present, it stands as 22 for approval, 29 against, and 58 undeclared.  A
> simple majority of 53 is needed for approval.
>
> As of now, approval of liturgies for same-sex unions has about as much of a
> chance of being approved as Mike+ and Paul+ have of singing at the Met!
>
> Mark+
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles scott" <charlesrscott@...>
> To: <faithandlife@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:45 AM
> Subject: [FaithandLife] PRAYER BEFORE LECTIO DIVINA --The Story
>
>
> >
> > --------- Original Message ---------
> >
> > DATE: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:40:27
> > From: "Mark Clavier+" <anglican@...>
> > >Mike+,
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Fr. Mark wrote:
> >
> > Mike+,
> >
> > I spent my entire Bible Study on this yesterday, but from a different
> angle. I first instructed them about worldviews, or metanrratives, and how
> they dominate our perception of reality.  I then explained to them that we
> are now moving from an Enlightenment worldview to a postmodern one, and how,
> in postmodernity, the story or the narrative is everything.  In a sense this
> is less a development than a restoration.
> >
> > When you look at Acts, you don't find Peter, Stephen, and Paul teaching
> doctrine.  Almost always they tell a story, and almost always, that story is
> the epic of Israel culminating in the death and resurrection of Jesus.
> >
> > This is very different then how we have proceeded with teaching the faith
> for the past 300 years (and more especially the past 100).  During this
> time, doctrine was the thing taught.
> > <snip>
> >
> > In the postmodern world, the Church is going to have to get back to the
> story.  Doctrine remains important, not because it gives us a bunch a rules
> about God and ourselves, but BECAUSE it tells us how to read and live out
> that story correctly.  And by reading and living out the Biblical
> metanarrative (to which I would add the history of the Church) that people's
> lives will be shaped and their faith nurtured.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Mark+
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Mark+
> >
> > Your post resonates with me.  T