In a message dated 8/22/2003 1:21:23 PM Central Daylight Time, mward@... writes: << So, are you saying keep confirmation at the age it's traditionally done (12-13)? Or compact it as is done in the East to combine it with Baptism?>> DKD: For better or for worse, Confirmation has developed into a "coming of age" rite, in which those who have been adequately catechised in the faith are confirmed in their Baptismal Covenant by the laying on of hands. The new REC BCP even goes so far as to express this very understanding in the presentation: "Reverend Father in God, I present unto you these persons who now desire to confirm their Baptismal Covenant through the laying on of hands." Thus, I see no reason to change the "traditional" age or practice of Confirmation, viewing these things as providential developments in our liturgical/sacramental history, serving pastoral ends, and further augmenting the relationship between the confirmand and the Church Catholic through one's re-affirmation of one's baptismal vows along with a sacramental laying-on-of-hands by a bishop (i.e., the Church's witness and confirmation of those vows). Incidentally, the new REC Confirmation service also contains an interogatory form of the Apostles' Creed along with the other interogations - an improvement over the 1928, IMHO. A better question, however, would be how we might adapt our baptismal practice and theology to better fit a more Patristic pattern. And here I think we need to revive the practice of chrismation, which can be easily done at the signing of the Cross by using consecrated oil at the signation. Indeed, most modern Anglican rites have already done just that. Furthermore, a Eucharist immediately following the Baptismal Office where consecrated wine is (as I suggested before) touched to the lips of newly baptized infants, would all but re-unite the ancient pattern. Regards, Daniel