In a message dated 8/22/2003 12:11:26 PM Central Daylight Time, mward@... writes: <<But it is interesting that you mention not confusing chrismation and confirmation. While the Eastern Church doesn't have an exact parallel to confirmation, there is a period of instruction that corresponds to our confirmation classes. Yet at the end of this period, there is no formal liturgical "rite" of initiation into the Church. It is simply seen as learning what it means to be a part of the Church.>> DKD: IMO, it's to their loss not to have a liturgical rite of Confirmation subsequent to catechism, and it's to our loss not to have a distinct rite of "Chrismation" (in association with Baptism) and thus, in principle, a discipline which naturally assumes paedocommunion. Perhaps I'm one of those guys who fancies having his cake and eating it too, but I'd rather like to think that I'm one of those who sees an opportunity to turn a vice into a virtue. Hence, a separate rite of Confirmation need not be understood as detrimental to a unified rite of Initiation (baptism/chrismation/eucharist), nor should the revival of a post-baptismal anointing (in conjunction with the traditional signing of the Cross) be understood as rendering the later rite of Confirmation redundant. Regards, Daniel