In a message dated 8/29/2003 4:11:06 PM Central Daylight Time, gdvw@... writes: << Daniel:authentic Orthodox friends say but ifit pleases you to hold another view, I'llnot launchthe XXXXXIII Crusade over it. Theimportant thing is to infuse the objective grace that this Sacrament brings. I would be interested in your sources for your view. I'll share them with my Eastern comrades when the next FKDDG meets. >> DKD: IMO, the most definitive recent study on Christian Initiation is Maxwell Johnson's _The Rites of Christian Initiation: Their Evolution and Interpretation_ (Liturgical Press, 1989). Johnson is Lutheran and is Associate Professor of Liturgy at University of Notre Dame. I studied for a semester under his colleague, James White, when I was at Drew University. Regards, Daniel