In a message dated 6/26/2002 4:28:04 PM Central Daylight Time, anglican@... writes: << What I was trying to get across, though, is that we ought all to be shocked by our lack of growth. Yes, we can bemoan the culture that surrounds us and go on about how we are going against the tide. But was that really any different in the Early Church? >> DKD: I'm with you, Mark. I wasn't really trying to make a point, just a bit of humor. Yes, the "growth" of the continuing church (and for convenience sake I'll include the REC) over the past few decades has been disappointing, and the question is bound to arise whether there may be an essential flaw in "continuing church" ecclesiology. Heck, there are times when I seriously begin to wonder if we are all but a bunch of Donatists! Regards, Daniel+