Fr. Wiebe wrote: Subject Advance The Churchmanship!(As we say) While I can in general agree with the definitions below, I found it interesting that Anglo-Catholic was omitted. Anglo Catholicism often does include (rightly) the full panoply of worshop (smells and bells) but while it holds the Sacred Scriptures (esp the NT) in high regard it does not make them a god nor does it look to them alone or without additional help from Holy Tradition/Ancient Fathers or for that matter Holy Reason. Most AC's are open to rapprochement under the right terms(e.g. equality apriori) with the Vatican or the Phanar but w/o losing our own unique experience, heritage and tradition(e.g. we take Christ's High Priestly prayer in St John seriously andnot because we have any 'deficiency' to correct). We take the Lambeth Quadrilateral seriously as well. Many today who make full useof the richness of ritual do so w/o an equally strong committment to the historic (all 2000 years) Catholic Faith that comes to us from the Apostles in the plenitude of its glory. This makes for some strange andinteresting bedfellows at times. Blessings. GDVW ----------------------------- Fr. Wiebe+ When, in the course of time, REC and APA are united, it may happen that Fr. Wayne+ will be Bishop of Ohio. I mention him not only because of his holiness of life and learning, but because his relative youthfulness may mean he will be the last man standing. We few in the APA in this area are of more advanced years. When that blessed day comes, Fr. Wayne might call on you, or Fr. John+ from Arizona, or Fr. Bill+ or another of our men from the South East to come and show us how to properly use a thurible. Since we have not the ceremonial tradition, we might do one another some damage. I suspect as time goes on and our numbers increase, we will want to "advance the churchmanship." I don't believe our REC brothers intended any slight by not using the term Anglo-Catholic. I am sure we call consider ourselves to hold the catholic faith and have more than a little regard for the battered history and teaching of English Churchmen. The question is how much of this is appropriate/expedient/necessary at this time in history in our particular locations. As for strange bedfellows, in view of recent ECUSA history, we might avoid bringing that into our conversation. Hee, Hee. Charles+ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - NetZero HiSpeed! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!