> Dean Scott: Fr Collins SBR has kindly clarified that the definition of
Anglo Catholic was not excluded because it was never included ab initio.
I think my intervention clarified that.
As for thuribles. Let
me recommend that here we advise about a pound of incense a quarter
(preferably 3 Kings from Germany brand). We say that if yu can see the
Altar from the 4th pew then we have not used enough of the blessed
vapour! Tell the prospective prelate that I am at his service.
It is also advisable to have your fire insurance paid up! I once almost
started a conflagration in AllSS Church in San Francisco lighting the
new fire on Easter Vigil because some 'hip' acolyte unknown to me
poured half a bottle of lighter fluid into the basin of wood chips that
we used (with a flint) to start the flame! Blessings and please pray for
the repose of the soul of Emerson V. who has died. GDVW+
> Fr. Wiebe wrote:
> Subject Advance The Churchmanship!(As we say)
>
>
> While I can in general agree with the definitions below, I found it
> interesting that Anglo-Catholic was omitted. Anglo Catholicism often
> does include (rightly) the full panoply of worshop (smells and bells)
> but while it holds the Sacred Scriptures (esp the NT) in high regard it
> does not make them a god nor does it look to them alone or without
> additional help from Holy Tradition/Ancient Fathers or for that matter
> Holy Reason.
>
> Most AC's are open to rapprochement under the right terms(e.g. equality
> apriori) with the Vatican or the Phanar but w/o losing our own unique
> experience, heritage and tradition(e.g. we take Christ's High Priestly
> prayer in St John seriously andnot because we have any 'deficiency' to
> correct). We take the Lambeth Quadrilateral seriously as well.
>
> Many today who make full useof the richness of ritual do so w/o an
> equally strong committment to the historic (all 2000 years) Catholic
> Faith that comes to us from the Apostles in the plenitude of its glory.
>
> This makes for some strange andinteresting bedfellows at times.
> Blessings.
> GDVW
> -----------------------------
>
> Fr. Wiebe+
>
> When, in the course of time, REC and APA are united, it may happen that
> Fr. Wayne+ will be Bishop of Ohio. I mention him not only because of
> his holiness of life and learning, but because his relative youthfulness
> may mean he will be the last man standing. We few in the APA in this
> area are of more advanced years.
>
> When that blessed day comes, Fr. Wayne might call on you, or Fr. John+
> from Arizona, or Fr. Bill+ or another of our men from the South East to
> come and show us how to properly use a thurible. Since we have not the
> ceremonial tradition, we might do one another some damage. I suspect as
> time goes on and our numbers increase, we will want to "advance the
> churchmanship."
>
> I don't believe our REC brothers intended any slight by not using the
> term Anglo-Catholic. I am sure we call consider ourselves to hold the
> catholic faith and have more than a little regard for the battered
> history and teaching of English Churchmen. The question is how much of
> this is appropriate/expedient/necessary at this time in history in our
> particular locations.
>
> As for strange bedfellows, in view of recent ECUSA history, we might
> avoid bringing that into our conversation. Hee, Hee.
>
> Charles+
>
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