Please accept my apologies!  I did not intend to include in my last message
the hastily typed paragraphs on Calvinism and Barth. I have only begun to
collect data for my essay.  What I sent out inadvertently was from my new
"Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church,"  for which I owe thanks to Fr.
Ward for letting me it was on better than half-price sale.  I have used the
Dictionary often.   It does go to show, though, that I really was preparing
"a little something" on Calvinism and Barth!  Regards.  X
KnoxDuncan@...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Knox Duncan" <KnoxDuncan@...>
To: <faithandlife@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] Caring for all the Churches (Sort Of)


>
>
> Fr. Wiebe, I hope you'll not cry "Puritan aggression" when I speak your
> oft-expressed hostility to that mighty turning point of Western
> Civilization, the Reformation.  Till your last e-mail, I as an ignorant
> Reformed Catholic (Protesant, if you please) had thought  the motto of
> Protestantism you cited was "Every man his own PRIEST."  (In fact,  I was
> preparing a  little something on Calvinism and its 20th Century exponent,
> Karl Barth, when I opened your e-mail!)  Really, though, through the cloud
> of words, I see  a "P" written on your forehead, to wit:    Citing
> conscience, inter alia, you relate how you disobeyed, decried, and
departed
> from  your hierarchial superiors in the Episcopal Church--behavior
certainly
> not characteristic of an obedient Catholic who would rank the welfare of
the
> "organized church" above that of his  "fellow-man."  (I seem to remember
> something in Scripture about that.  The late Bishops of Boston and Phoenix
> also come to mind.)   Clearly, at the time, you must have thought PECUSA
> "Catholic," enjoying legitimate apostolic succession, else how could you
> have been part of it?  That so, how could an episcopate endowed with power
> concomitant to such succession possibly err?   Failing patristic
authority,
> Rome  calls such theological innovation or creativity "received dogma,"
> does it not?  (That's a rhetorical question, Fr. Wiebe.  I've read
> Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre on that score and Rome's counterattack.)
Perhaps
> you know that Mel Gibson and family are part of the Lefebvre movement,
> claiming to be "Traditionalist Catholics."  Herewith a copy of a letter
from
> the RC Archbishop of Santa Fe repudiating such movements and succinctly
> describing what  it takes to be really "Catholic!"
>
> Archdiocese of Santa Fe
> THE CATHOLIC CENTER
> 4000 SAINT JOSEPH'S PLACE, N.W.
> ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO 87120-1709
> AREA CODE: 505-831-8100
>
> May 4, 1999
>
> Rev. Joel Garner, O.Praem.
> Our Lady of the Most Holy Rosary
> 5415 Fortuna Road N.W.
> Albuquerque, NM 87105
>
> Dear Father Garner:
>
> You have brought to my attention again the difficulty of the church nearby
> that some people are confusing with the Catholic Church. It is Our Lady of
> the Rosary, 333 58th Street. It is clear that this church is not a
Catholic
> Church but belongs to the Lefebre movement. No church is considered to be
a
> truly Catholic Church unless it recognizes the Holy Father as the head of
> the Church and the local bishop appointed by him. Clearly the small church
> mentioned above does not fulfull the requirement to be considered a
Catholic
> Church. Catholics may not go there to fulfill their Sunday obligation for
> Mass.
>
> There are several other schismatic churches in the area as well. If they
> don't recognize the Pope and Bishop, they are not Catholic and good
> Catholics should clearly not be involved with them in any way.
>
> I hope that this additional clarification helps and that you can inform
your
> parishioners so that there will be no misunderstanding.
>
> Sincerely yours in the Risen Lord,
>
>
>
> Most Rev. Michael J. Sheehan
> Archbishop of Santa Fe
>
>
, >
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Rev GDVWiebe SSC.,PhD" <gdvw@...>
> To: <faithandlife@...>
> Cc: <JADAgency@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:36 PM
> Subject: [FaithandLife] Caring for all the Churches (Sort Of)
>
>
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> > will be,interesting to see what the final fallout,over +Nova
> > Hamshiriensis is but I suspect Protestantism (everyone his own God just
> > don't rock the boat) will win again.  ...Blessings. GDVW+
> >