Fr. J.

Thanks for the info.  It is troubling that Baptismal Regeneration, the Real
Presence and the Reservation of the Sacraments is not embraced by all those
we seek to be in union with and especially a Bishop.  While one might want
to debate the Reservation of the Sacrament, even though it is an ancient
practice of the church which I think most of the APA parishes and missions
practice if they have the facility for it, Baptismal Regeneration and the
Real Presence are fundamental beliefs of Anglicanism on which there should
be no compromise.  I sometime wonder how compatable this proposed murger is
when I see differences such as this but I am willing to put it in God's
hands and wait and see how it all works out.  Hope your Sunday service(s)
goes well and God be with you and your ministry.

Bill+
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Rev. Fr. Johann W. Vanderbijl III" <cranmer@...>
To: <faithandlife@...>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: [FaithandLife] Re: Candidate for Diaconal Orders passes exam


> The examination was about six hours long, three hours for Bible and three
> hours for Worship, Doctrine and Ecclesiology.  Ashley was required to
> complete a lengthy questionaire a while before the oral exam which was
> "graded" (I know it was read through at least) by Dr. Moock and Bp. West.
> They repeatedly remarked on the length and depth of his answers...but that
> is something I required as I read and graded the papers before they went
to
> the Diocese...leave no stone unturned and no door unopened...that's my
> motto.  Most of the questions were fair, but I believe a line was crossed
> with regard to Baptismal Regeneration, the Real Presence (the Candidate
> being told that as the Eucharist was instituted before the crucifixion the
> elements couldn't possibly be what He said they were - of course no
mention
> was made of the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world, but
no
> matter) and a cheap shot taken at the reservation of the sacraments (one
> examiner being told (read me) that as the Pasover Lamb was completely
> consumed so the elements should be completely consumed).  Otherwise it was
> very fair and well done.
>
> Ashley completed his training by extension through Cummins Theological
> Seminary and I was his tutor.  We were graciously allowed by Bp. Morse to
> chose our own books and I was given a fairly free hand in the setting of
> assignments.  I assigned more reading than required and many of his papers
> were also very practical in nature.  He has read as many Anglican Divines
as
> I have in my library, noted scholars such as M. F. Sadler and N. T.
Wright,
> and was required to teach a few classes (Sunday School, Apologetics, Bible
> Study and others) and preach every other Sunday evening.  I'm sure he can
> tell you more about his schooling than I have just outlined, but that
shoudl
> give you the gist of what was covered.  He also had the priveledge of
> learning first hand from Fr. Rich with regard to the rituals and practices
> of the Eucharist Service, has been in constant e-mail contact with a
number
> of Anglo-Catholic brethren (Fr. Chad being the most impressive as far as
> Ashley is concerned!) and so on.
>
> I appreciate the invitation to the clergy conferences...would one of you
> Fathers please let me know when the next one is to be held?  I would love
to
> try to attend.
>
> God bless.
>
> Fr. J.
>
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