Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas: you name them. Any of the "rationalizing" theologians and of the West aren't held in very high esteem by the Churches of the East. As one Orthodox fellow I know once said, "To attempt to explain everything by way of dialectics is to attempt to do the impossible: explain the mystery of God." MLW+ -----Original Message----- From: The Rev GDVWiebe SSC.,PhD [mailto:gdvw@...] Sent: Thu 12/9/2004 6:32 PM To: faithandlife@... Cc: bigchese@... Subject: [FaithandLife] Was St Augustine the first post-Christian theologian? > Brothers: > Its hard to know always what the sometime Manichee (we had a lavatory facility dedicated to him at the seminary I attended) thought about a lot of things. It depends on who- what- when- where- and why one reads his writing. I think that in his later years he sometimes perhaps hoped for the kind of melding you allude to but who knows.Much has been into his writings. The East has great problems with him ,and in spite of the fascination- fixation some clergy in the West seem to have with him, and his interpreted ideas,perhaps the less we have to do with the' holy man from Hippo' overall the better!Blessings. GDVW+