They seem to deny that there is value in trying.  If we are going to be
judged by it seems best if we do our best to understand what we may of God's
revelation with His help.

Wayne+

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael L. Ward [mailto:mward@...] 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:40 AM
To: faithandlife@...
Subject: RE: [FaithandLife] Was St Augustine the first post-Christian
theologian?

Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas: you name them.  Any of the "rationalizing"
theologians and of the West aren't held in very high esteem by the Churches
of the East.  As one Orthodox fellow I know once said, "To attempt to
explain everything by way of dialectics is to attempt to do the impossible:
explain the mystery of God."
 
MLW+ 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: The Rev GDVWiebe SSC.,PhD [mailto:gdvw@...] 
	Sent: Thu 12/9/2004 6:32 PM 
	To: faithandlife@... 
	Cc: bigchese@... 
	Subject: [FaithandLife] Was St Augustine the first post-Christian
theologian?
	
	

	> Brothers:
	> Its hard to know always what the sometime Manichee (we had a
lavatory
	facility dedicated to him at the seminary I attended) thought about
a
	lot of things. It depends on who- what- when- where- and why one
reads
	his writing. I think that in his later years he sometimes perhaps
hoped
	for the kind of melding you allude to but who knows.Much has been
into
	his writings. The East has great problems with him ,and in spite of
the
	fascination- fixation some clergy in the West seem to have with him,
and
	his interpreted ideas,perhaps the less we have to do with the' holy
man
	from Hippo' overall the better!Blessings. GDVW+