Charlie+, I hope you are right in your predictions. But we mustn't pin our hopes on the "two-thirds world" Anglicanism too much. First of all, it really wouldn't be terribly fair of us. Most African countries that have a substantial Anglican presence have enough internal problems to deal with without worrying too much about what is happening in America. Secondly, no Province in the Anglican Communion is going to risk its relationship with the Church of England. The See of Canterbury is an extremely important symbol to most African Anglicans. Indeed, I wonder how many of the west Africans in our parishes really know that are attending parishes outside of the Anglican Communion that are not officially in communion with their parishes back home? Third, as I said to Mike+, Nigeria and a few other African countries don't ordain women; South Africa, Uganda, Rwanda, Kenya, the Sudan, and others do. We mustn't succumb to the thought that because they are Africans theyare traditionalist. Finally, being African doesn't give one an automatic resistance to western-style liberalism. I have met more than a few Africans who were quite liberal in their attitudes. Having said all that, we certainly should reach out to the African populations around us. The Episcopal Church is typically not doing a very good job of that. Mark+