[faithandlife] Re: [FaithandLife] D DAY FOR THE DEMOCRATES?

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From: <gdvw@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:00:22 -0000 (UTC)
> Very Rev Sir: Thanks for a  most thoughtful and realistic response to
the war hysteria being fired up to detract from real issueslike the
economy, healthcare and the like. Its more and more like Orwell's 1984
by the day. The simple truth is that given the mindset of the present
incumbent (and his manager-rulers/special interests/loyalties)if 'the
axis of evil' did not exist it would have to be invented (come to think
of it that is just about what happened).Johnson's maxim about patriotism
being the last refuge of the scoundrel applies here, sorry to sayand
like 1984 the 'war on terror' will goon forever and ever unless and
untill someone rises up and says STOP! Sorry but the sky is NOT falling
and the proverbial asteroid will miss Earth by severalmillion miles! I
have been reading some 'reviews'of thelast 12 months and what has struck
me over andover again is that all of the 'threats' announced never
materialise and 90% ofthose taken into custody by Ayatollah Ashcroft
(et.al.) are quietly released when no evidence is presented.Their lives
are ruinedof course but no case is evermade. Scapegoating seems to be
the orderof the day-witness John WalkerLindh. I am still trying to find
out what specific act or crime he committed worthy of 20years hard time.
Itis said, for example, that he joined the Taliban. So what? What about
those who aid and abetthe IRA/REAL IRA etc? None of them are ever even
threatened with arrest and the IRA (and yes the other side too) have
killed more people than perished on 11 September 2001 bother numerically
and as a percentageof population. the Basque ETA have been at it in
Spain for decades and Ihave no doubt that they have received aid and
comfort from those outside Spain who support their agenda. Number of
arrests, etc? None that I know of. Later today 'Dubyah' is supposed to
wax eloquent (oxymoron?) in your home state about the wickedness of
Saddam et.al. Will be be shown concrete specifics? I doubt it. I watched
the CSPAN when Tony Blair 'told all'. He had nothing to say. Dr Hans
Blick of Sweden and ScottRitter (former Marine officer) have both said
to all who will listen that things are somewhat other than the White
House averrs and they, unlike Bush, cite chapter and verse. And then
there is the final proof that this thing is smoke and mirros: Jerry
Foolwell is ranting and raving about 'the Rapture' et.al. and how his
constsituency(he claims 70 million!) will keep Bush's feet to the fire
in this e.g. themore violence in the Levant the better because it speeds
'theend of the world'. We all need to take a series of deep breaths,
maybe a cold shower or two and ask ourselves just what in Heaven is
going on. I have an acquaintance who is 4 months in the Army (he wants
to become an MD something that can happen in the Army). His life is not
worth a trip to the desert of Saudi Arabia. My wife had someone on her
service whose daughter died in the Gulf War I along with 30 others in a
barracks explosion when a SCUD missile blew up prematurely (so we are
told). Neither of these young people deserved to be sacrificed for the
reality this proposed conflict is being arranged. Thank you, Charles,
for asking some very good questions.The Democratic Party's performance
in this whole scary scenario is a thundering disgrace. I'm npot even
going to try to reply to the Bush's Germanophobia!Idiots! Criminals! You
decide. Blessings. GDVW+
> A DEFINITIVE DAY IN DEMOCRATIC HISTORY
>
> Today may be the last chance for Democratic Party Leaders to stand up
> and be  men, if they have any legs left to stand on.
>
> In my not so humble opinion, Tom Daschle has already shot himself in the
>  foot by (1) wimping out on the Iraq War II issue hoping to get it off
> the  table before November and making the economy the issue; and (2)
> Making his  hysterical speech that the President had accused Democrats
> of being  unpatriotic (there is nothing new about that, the Dems were
> constantly  charged with being soft on Communism in the last century).
>
> Daschle and the Democrats whether in the Senate or the House have failed
> to  stand united on any principle.
>
> They haven't said loudly enough "where's the proof?" nor have they said
> "its  the economy stupid," nor have they said we should not go it alone
> in this  crusade against Sadam.  With no discernable cohesive message,
> they have left  themselves vulnerable to the Republican position that is
> focused on getting  rid of Sadam.  Presidential spokesman Ari F can get
> by with advocating  assassination of a head of state, which, in view of
> our history and avowed  foreign policy, is a peculiar thing for him to
> say.
>
> Al Gore and Ted Kennedy may have blown off Daschle's other foot by
> putting  the War issue firmly back on the table.  However, neither of
> those gentlemen  have the confidence of the public, and their messages
> may be ignored.
>
> IMHO here are questions that a loyal opposition should bring today, if
> any  Democrat (or Republican) has courage to bring to the President, the
>  Congress, and the Country.
> 1.) Is there credible evidence that Saddam Hussein can launch missiles
> reaching more than 400 miles from Iraq?  (That was the proof that Tony
> Blair  brought to the UN.)  If there is no evidence that he can do so,
> what is the  immanent danger to the U.S. that justifies a first strike
> and a "go it  alone" policy?
>
> 2.)  How can the only remaining Super Power justify a "first strike go
> it  alone" policy against any nation, especially a weak, nearly
> subjugated 3rd  world country with very limited military capability.
>
> 3.)  If Tony Blair's presentation was accurate, and Saddam does pose a
> threat within a 400 mile range of Iraq, shouldn't Greece, Turkey, Iran,
> Saudi Arabia and others be the nations to lead a war on Iraq?  We could
> offer aid, but why should we be acting the part of world bully by taking
> the  lead?
>
> Our President is able to bring about compromise and co-operation.  If
> there  were a Democrat with enough strength to stand up and be counted,
> I think  millions (perhaps a majority) of Americans would cool down the
> war fever  that has infected this nation and President Bush would be
> willing to let  other nations take the lead in this matter.  He is to be
> congratulated for  making the case before the UN that the Iraq issue
> must be addressed, but I  do not feel he has made the case that we
> should strike first.
>
> The only remaining super-power does not need to take the lead in this
> situation.  The nations of Europe and the Mid East apparently have a
> bigger  stake in this game and it would be easier for the US to aid in
> the  rebuilding of the area after Iraq War II if we did not incite more
> hatred of  us by launching a first strike and invasion of Iraq.
>
>
> Charles
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