[faithandlife] Re: [FaithandLife] D DAY FOR THE DEMOCRATS?

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From: <gdvw@...>
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:37:44 -0000 (UTC)
  Brethren: We owe Fr Blankenship a debt of thanks for his thoughts. I
expect little from the Congress; election is near and nothing wins votes
for most of them like firing up the war machine. Actually we do not need
the oil of the Middle East; there is plenty off the African coast (Sao
Tome) and in the western hemisphere. Peace with justice is what Christ
requires. May we be stout promulagtors of that idea even if we fail to
stop Bush's war crimes in the Middle East. The sky is NOT falling!
Please pray for Melvin and lloyd both seriously ill. Thanks. GDVW+
>
> Thanks for some reasoned, if impassioned as well, reflections on the
> current diplomatic imbroglio.  They have helped me to say my prayers.
>
> Two other items have helped as well, too.
>
> 1.)  There is a rather hawkish email going around with a transcript of
> the Ollie North interview in Congress during the Iran-contra episode.
> Someone asked him why he spent $60,000 on a secrity system for his home,
> and he attributed the perceived threat to one Osama bin Laden.  As you
> can well imagine, the transcript (which I guess is accurate) is being
> used to argue for shooting at anyone on bin Laden's mailing list.
>
> 2.) A story ran here (in the Wilmington MORNING STAR) yesterday about
> the Iraqi efforts to develop all manner of weapons.  Many of its
> chemical and biological reagents were given by or purchased from the US,
> specifically under the Reagan administration.  The idea was that a more
> secular Iraq could be trusted with such things in its war against the
> more militantly Islamist Iran.  It is hard not to feel ashamed at such
> things.
>
> Both of these snippets have shown us to be less than innocent of the
> actions of evil people and less than deliberate in giving them
> sufficient attention.
>
> It ought to be of concern to us who pray for our country and pray for
> peace as part of our vocations that our country has contributed to the
> current state of affairs.  Part of being right is owning up to what we
> have done wrong, either positively by commission (2, above) or
> negatively by omission (1, above).
>
> It is to be lamented that the Byrd/Warner exchange last week in the
> Senate did not contain more of such fessing up.  We should laud our
> leaders who do so without fear, as the Democrats allowed Bush a reversal
> on
> "nation-builidng."
>
> Paul Blankinship+
>
> PS, Thanks for all of your many good wishes.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gdvw@...>
> To: <faithandlife@...>
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] D DAY FOR THE DEMOCRATES?
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>
>> > Very Rev Sir: Thanks for a  most thoughtful and realistic response
>> to
>> the war hysteria being fired up to detract from real issueslike the
>> economy, healthcare and the like. Its more and more like Orwell's 1984
>> by the day. The simple truth is that given the mindset of the present
>> incumbent (and his manager-rulers/special interests/loyalties)if 'the
>> axis of evil' did not exist it would have to be invented (come to
>> think of it that is just about what happened).Johnson's maxim about
>> patriotism being the last refuge of the scoundrel applies here, sorry
>> to sayand like 1984 the 'war on terror' will goon forever and ever
>> unless and untill someone rises up and says STOP! Sorry but the sky is
>> NOT falling and the proverbial asteroid will miss Earth by
>> severalmillion miles! I have been reading some 'reviews'of thelast 12
>> months and what has struck me over andover again is that all of the
>> 'threats' announced never materialise and 90% ofthose taken into
>> custody by Ayatollah Ashcroft (et.al.) are quietly released when no
>> evidence is presented.Their lives are ruinedof course but no case is
>> evermade. Scapegoating seems to be the orderof the day-witness John
>> WalkerLindh. I am still trying to find out what specific act or crime
>> he committed worthy of 20years hard time. Itis said, for example, that
>> he joined the Taliban. So what? What about those who aid and abetthe
>> IRA/REAL IRA etc? None of them are ever even threatened with arrest
>> and the IRA (and yes the other side too) have killed more people than
>> perished on 11 September 2001 bother numerically and as a percentageof
>> population. the Basque ETA have been at it in Spain for decades and
>> Ihave no doubt that they have received aid and comfort from those
>> outside Spain who support their agenda. Number of arrests, etc? None
>> that I know of. Later today 'Dubyah' is supposed to wax eloquent
>> (oxymoron?) in your home state about the wickedness of Saddam et.al.
>> Will be be shown concrete specifics? I doubt it. I watched the CSPAN
>> when Tony Blair 'told all'. He had nothing to say. Dr Hans Blick of
>> Sweden and ScottRitter (former Marine officer) have both said to all
>> who will listen that things are somewhat other than the White House
>> averrs and they, unlike Bush, cite chapter and verse. And then there
>> is the final proof that this thing is smoke and mirros: Jerry Foolwell
>> is ranting and raving about 'the Rapture' et.al. and how his
>> constsituency(he claims 70 million!) will keep Bush's feet to the fire
>> in this e.g. themore violence in the Levant the better because it
>> speeds 'theend of the world'. We all need to take a series of deep
>> breaths, maybe a cold shower or two and ask ourselves just what in
>> Heaven is going on. I have an acquaintance who is 4 months in the Army
>> (he wants to become an MD something that can happen in the Army). His
>> life is not worth a trip to the desert of Saudi Arabia. My wife had
>> someone on her service whose daughter died in the Gulf War I along
>> with 30 others in a barracks explosion when a SCUD missile blew up
>> prematurely (so we are told). Neither of these young people deserved
>> to be sacrificed for the reality this proposed conflict is being
>> arranged. Thank you, Charles, for asking some very good questions.The
>> Democratic Party's performance in this whole scary scenario is a
>> thundering disgrace. I'm npot even going to try to reply to the Bush's
>> Germanophobia!Idiots! Criminals! You decide. Blessings. GDVW+
>> > A DEFINITIVE DAY IN DEMOCRATIC HISTORY
>> >
>> > Today may be the last chance for Democratic Party Leaders to stand
>> up and be  men, if they have any legs left to stand on.
>> >
>> > In my not so humble opinion, Tom Daschle has already shot himself in
>> the
>> >  foot by (1) wimping out on the Iraq War II issue hoping to get it
>> off
>> > the  table before November and making the economy the issue; and (2)
>> Making his  hysterical speech that the President had accused
>> Democrats of being  unpatriotic (there is nothing new about that,
>> the Dems were constantly  charged with being soft on Communism in
>> the last century).
>> >
>> > Daschle and the Democrats whether in the Senate or the House have
>> failed to  stand united on any principle.
>> >
>> > They haven't said loudly enough "where's the proof?" nor have they
>> said "its  the economy stupid," nor have they said we should not go
>> it alone in this  crusade against Sadam.  With no discernable
>> cohesive message, they have left  themselves vulnerable to the
>> Republican position that is focused on getting  rid of Sadam.
>> Presidential spokesman Ari F can get by with advocating
>> assassination of a head of state, which, in view of our history and
>> avowed  foreign policy, is a peculiar thing for him to say.
>> >
>> > Al Gore and Ted Kennedy may have blown off Daschle's other foot by
>> putting  the War issue firmly back on the table.  However, neither
>> of those gentlemen  have the confidence of the public, and their
>> messages may be ignored.
>> >
>> > IMHO here are questions that a loyal opposition should bring today,
>> if any  Democrat (or Republican) has courage to bring to the
>> President, the
>> >  Congress, and the Country.
>> > 1.) Is there credible evidence that Saddam Hussein can launch
>> missiles reaching more than 400 miles from Iraq?  (That was the
>> proof that Tony Blair  brought to the UN.)  If there is no evidence
>> that he can do so, what is the  immanent danger to the U.S. that
>> justifies a first strike and a "go it  alone" policy?
>> >
>> > 2.)  How can the only remaining Super Power justify a "first strike
>> go it  alone" policy against any nation, especially a weak, nearly
>> subjugated 3rd  world country with very limited military capability.
>> >
>> > 3.)  If Tony Blair's presentation was accurate, and Saddam does pose
>> a threat within a 400 mile range of Iraq, shouldn't Greece, Turkey,
>> Iran, Saudi Arabia and others be the nations to lead a war on Iraq?
>> We could offer aid, but why should we be acting the part of world
>> bully by taking the  lead?
>> >
>> > Our President is able to bring about compromise and co-operation.
>> If there  were a Democrat with enough strength to stand up and be
>> counted, I think  millions (perhaps a majority) of Americans would
>> cool down the war fever  that has infected this nation and President
>> Bush would be willing to let  other nations take the lead in this
>> matter.  He is to be congratulated for  making the case before the
>> UN that the Iraq issue must be addressed, but I  do not feel he has
>> made the case that we should strike first.
>> >
>> > The only remaining super-power does not need to take the lead in
>> this situation.  The nations of Europe and the Mid East apparently
>> have a bigger  stake in this game and it would be easier for the US
>> to aid in the  rebuilding of the area after Iraq War II if we did
>> not incite more hatred of  us by launching a first strike and
>> invasion of Iraq.
>> >
>> >
>> > Charles
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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