In a message dated 7/29/05 9:42:09 AM, mward@... writes:


> That begs the question of the post I just returned.
> 
> MLW+
> 

You may be right that I'm begging the question, but I don't think I am. I 
don't agree with you that the Pelagianism is an issue here. It is before baptism, 
but not after baptism because the baptized person de facto is a new man and 
has be great benefit of the Holy Spirit. But I have to accept the text of the 
baptismal liturgy and other liturgies in the BCP: for example:
"And we humbly beseech thee, O heavenly Father, so to assist us with thy 
grace, that we may continue in that holy fellowship...(BCP 83)
"And humbly we beseech thee to grant, that he (this regenerate child), being 
dead unto sin, my live unto righteousness, and being buried with Christ in his 
death, may also be partaker of his resurrection...(BCP 281)
These are just two, but there are many others that, I believe, present 
baptism always accomplishing the new birth, but not necessarily accomplishing 
finally the salvation of the soul.
Glenn+

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