Dvaid, Why does being born again, automatically mean you're going to heaven? Let's use a Pauline analogy. In Exodus, all the people passed out of bondage through the waters of the Red Sea. Paul himself tells us that this is a foreshadowing of baptism. Indeed, the structure of Romans (I believe 5-8) reflects this idea. Baptism frees us from the bondage of sin. But, in Exodus not all those who passed through the Red Sea made it through the Wilderness to the Promised Land. Indeed, not all those who became part of the Convenant (ie one of the elect) made it out of the Wilderness. Might the same be true for those who have been baptized? Also, might we be reading things into regeneration, election, etc. that have little to do with Jewish concepts of those words??? Mark+