Mark+

Read this fellow's article on Augustine's understanding of perseverance and
baptismal regeneration.  If you like the history of doctrine, you'll like
this article.

http://www.johnowen.org/media/knapp_on_augustine_and_owen.pdf#search='august
ine%20owen'

MLW+


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Clavier+ [mailto:anglican@...] 
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:26 AM
To: faithandlife@...
Subject: Re: [FaithandLife] the meaning of the new birth

Dvaid,

Why does being born again, automatically mean you're going to heaven?

Let's use a Pauline analogy.  In Exodus, all the people passed out of 
bondage through the waters of the Red Sea.  Paul himself tells us that this 
is a foreshadowing of baptism.  Indeed, the structure of Romans (I believe 
5-8) reflects this idea.  Baptism frees us from the bondage of sin.  But, in

Exodus not all those who passed through the Red Sea made it through the 
Wilderness to the Promised Land.  Indeed, not all those who became part of 
the Convenant (ie one of the elect) made it out of the Wilderness.  Might 
the same be true for those who have been baptized?  Also, might we be 
reading things into regeneration, election, etc. that have little to do with

Jewish concepts of those words???

Mark+ 

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