>Why do some fonts have numbers? And others do not?< According to Apple, fonts should always be referred to by font name, not font number (the FOND resource ID number). Like any reource, all fonts have a font ID number. The problems you are having are probably more related to Macintosh resource management. In order for you to use an unloaded font, or more specifically a FOND resource (or FONT reource for older fonts), you will need to open the resource fork of the desired font, load the FOND resource (by resource name, which is the actual name of the font), use the font, then release the resource. All of this requires use of the Resource Mngr. the associated toolbox calls, and maybe a few QD Mngr. calls, depending on what you are trying to do. I would be glad to help you with this if you want to send me your problematic code. John M.