Thanks for thought Bowerbird, but there are no picture fields in the window. When I create a window, I also create a gworld and do all my drawing to the gworld, and my refreshes from the gworld. This way I can have a variety of flicker free refreshes , from a dumb copybits when the os calls for a refresh, through a series of item redraws, to a complete redraw of all items. FB Controls sit on top of all these graphics. All this works fine in FBII, but as I say I can't get at the edit fields. Some buttons also act strangely. I am wondering if I am having some confusion between ActiveDoc ActivePlt and ActiveWnd ?? I have a Doc window open and a pallet. Sorry this is so confused. Am using FB3.1.0g Regards Ian Mann