>jeff said: >> Java is a full-blown programming language akin to C++. > >how stable/solid is java at this point? >what are its limitations? >how can i get my foot wet with it? > >-bowerbird > Java is in an almost constant state of development like most software tools, but most vendors support the same "level" at the same time. CodeWarrior Pro includes a Java compiler. I hate to say it but Windows and Unix (Linux) both have much superior Java development tools than what's available for Mac. Here's a link to a freeware Java development tool for Mac: http://www.vpm.com/%7Esteevc/java/seymour/index.html Searching versiontracker.com for "Java" gives you all kinds of stuff and there's tons of Java tutorials, etc. available on the net. A Sherlock search on the 'net for "Java tutorial" returned 85 URLs... HTH Jeff