Neoff, while most FutureBASIC users don't directly know assembler, many time we use assembly examples from other people because they work best. So if I want to have some assembly in my project, then that is what I am going to be using. Now even though REAL Basic supports plug ins, I am sure it isn't near as easy as putting in the assembly directly. In a message dated 9/21/00 10:00:47 AM, geoff@... writes: >> Are you saying that we should only be allowed to use *parts* of FB in >> a comparison? Built-in assemblers for 68K and PPC are part of our >> environment. > >What I'm saying is that it's important to decide what you want to compare. >Do you want to compare compiled code or do you want to compare which >application can, using any of its features, create an application that >runs >the fastest? In the latter case, REALbasic supports plug-ins so it would >be >fair for us to write the code as a plug-in and call it from the RB app. > >Does this make any sense? I don't think so. Why? Because the majority of >Futurebasic users don't know assembly and the majority of REALbasic users >don't write plug-ins. And the majority of potential users of either >environment fall into both of these categories. OTOH, most users could >probably implement code to count words or draw a mandelbrot graphic. Matthew Beedle President of Foxchange Software http://www.foxchange.com