Hi All, Here is something which I have working with the FBII mini-runtime, but which fails with both the FB^3 and the FB2 standard runtimes:- I want to create a file and place its icon in a certain position relative to the another preexisting icon. Reasonable? Simplified placement code valid for both std runtimes is: ''--- cut DEFSTR LONG DIM pBlock.128 DIM err% DIM pbPtr&, MarysLocation&, JohnsOffset& DIM M$, J$ pbPtr& = @pBlock M$="Mary" '' This file definitely preexists alongside the appl '' In fact for me "Mary" was the application itself J$="John" '' This file may not preexist JohnsOffset& = &00100020 '' want John a bit SE of Mary (16 down 32 right) DEF BLOCKFILL(pbPtr&, 128, 0) pbPtr&.ioNamePtr& = @M$ err% = FN GETFILEINFO (pbPtr&) MarysLocation& = pbPtr&.ioFlUsrWds.fdLocation& OPEN"A",#1,J$ CLOSE#1 "--thePlacement" DEF BLOCKFILL(pbPtr&, 128, 0) pbPtr&.ioNamePtr& = @J$ err% = FN GETFILEINFO (pbPtr&) pbPtr&.ioFlUsrWds.fdLocation& = MarysLocation& + JohnsOffset& err% = FN SETFILEINFO (pbPtr&) ''--- cut As I said, something similar works with Miniruntime. However I do call a bunch of toolbox FNs not available in the std runtime since OPEN and CLOSE are just not available in the FB2 miniruntime. Beware also that with this simplified code, you may have to close and open the window to see the true new icon position of "John". This code completely fails in the std runtimes precisely if the file "John" was originally nonexistant. In that case, I am guessing I will have to do some sort of fancy Finder updating before "--thePlacement" in order to get the wanted icon placement (with the std runtimes). Suggestions? Cheers Laurent S.