How can I obtain the size and top, left coordinates of an appearance button? How come not all appearance buttons will generate an event when the mouse is rolled over it? Buttons such as _kControlPlacardProc _kControlStaticTextProc and several others What appearance button type should be used for a color well, where I can detect a click and fill it with a color or styled text ? An off list reply would be appreciated with a CC to steve@... , as these damned digests sometimes don't come thru till late the next day. I could use an answer tonight. TIA regards ~ steve