On 8 Feb, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Alain Pastor wrote, in his usual incisive way: > As one goes along, we change our status from novice (gosub) to > advanced (fn) then expert (proc) programmer, but we must not forget > on that road that the BASIC language is aimed at beginners. Thank you Alain! Over the years, I've written some FB stuff that would make, and has made, most of you regular FB Listers laugh. Not an FN in sight; littered with laughable GOSUBs. Several of those programs have done some very serious calibration on a lot of very expensive new equipment we have manufactured. My business was to design and manufacture laser equipment, not write exotic Mac software dandified with arcane HIG implementations. I enjoy those 'dandifications' as well as anyone, but it was quite possible, as one of the beginners spoken of in the 'B' in BASIC, to write very functional programs . Is that still possible? Several of you on this list have written exotic code for me, and I appreciate that code. But I also appreciated the facility with which a bozo such as I could write something at the near-idiot level, and have it work. It would never be, nor was it ever intended to become, commercial software. My vote is - and I've whined about this in the past - for a subset of The New FB suitable for The Idiot Programmer who needs to teach his Mac a new trick or two, and is content to be somewhere well behind the cutting edge of Macdom. Look what came up, below, chosen by MacBrain... I'd rather write an innocent, childlike program than write nothing at all. -- Ted Spencer -- How much better is a person who does any innocent thing than he who does nothing... (Samuel Johnston)