A tester (you know who you are) pointed out that the default buttons in my app while blue, are strangely non-animated. What I found is that if one presses it, then moves the mouse away so as not to mouseup on it, that it begins animating. Have found since then that if I call Fn FlickDefault(_ScaleApply,_False) right after the window is shown, which just highlites it, then un-highlites the control in question, it then animates. Why though, do I have to do this? What might be causing this? These are buttons created with the old Button statement, and _shadow param. rc