Another point concerning the 32K limit on some PICT resources. Someone said that they didn't know why their FN was failing, as the image wasn't 32K... But a PICT file format is not a bitmap format, so you cannot just look at the size, of the bitmap data and say "I'm in the 32K limit". PICT files have undergone different incarnations (metaphore, I've never seen a PICT file made flesh) but they basicly come down to a Picture Description Language, using QuickDraw (in a similar manner, a well-known Page Description Language uses PostScript) and as in EPS files you can have a bitmap rather than vectors contained within, in PICT you can be in a similar situation, this can lead to confusion. So, you are going to need at least a header, to tell the file 'reader' that the following information is bitmap,rather than vector, meaning that, compression protocols aside, a PICT file wil be bigger than the similar image in a 'pure' bitmap format. Moreover, I saw references to OPENPICTURE, which is usually used for recording the drawing of vector graphics - does this work for bitmap graphics? - and what overhead does it create? jonathan PS. Sorry if these points have already been treated, I've only been following this thread with a distant eye, but going from the original post 'cicn to pict' if they haven't been mentioned, they are relevant to the persistant problems that the postees have met.