Steve, You asked: "How do we know he is not referring to life in the New > Heavens and the New Earth? Why does it have to be the millenial kingdom?" I don't believe there will be death (Isa. 65:20) in the New Earth since all effect of sin will be eradicated, but the context of Isaiah does mention new heavens and earth (65:17). How is this explained? Some premils say it is a blending of the two aspects of God's future program which was later clarified in Revelation 20 and 21. This is not uncommon in the Old Testament prophecies (e.g. prophecies relating to the Messiah's first and second coming as in Micah 5:2). I certainly don't have all the details of the millennium worked out Steve, but I can't see how Satan is bound now to "keep him from deceiving the nations" when the New Testament warns over and over about his wiles and blinding and lies. I also see that immediately after Christ's second coming in Rev. 19 (no chapter divisions in original) there follows the binding of the devil and the reference to 1000 years of reigning. Why not take this 1000 year rule literally? If it is symbolic, what is the symbolism? Anyhow, this is getting into more than you asked. I would be interested in a verse-by-verse explanation of your view on Rev. 20:1-10 some time to help us pre-mils understand how the amils look at things. (If you aren't amil, pardon me. I was thinking you were.) Serving the King, Jimbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven G. Rockhill" <revrock@...> To: <pastorsforum@...> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] understand the Millennium. > Thanks Jimbo. How do we know he is not referring to life in the New > Heavens and the New Earth? Why does it have to be the millenial kingdom? > > Peace, > steve > > J & M wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> You asked: Where does it say that >> >>> there will be children born in the 'millenial kindgdom'? Where does it >>> say they must be tempted by satan? Chapter and verse please. >> >> >> Here is the source used: >> Isa 65:20 "Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few >> days,or an old man who does not live out his years;he who dies at a >> hundred will be thought a mere youth;he who fails to reach a hundred will >> be considered accursed. 21 They will build houses and dwell in them;they >> will plant vineyards and eat their fruit. 22 No longer will they build >> houses and others live in them,or plant and others eat.For as the days of >> a tree,so will be the days of my people;my chosen ones will long enjoy >> the works of their hands. 23 They will not toil in vain or bear children >> doomed to misfortune;for they will be a people blessed by the LORD,they >> and their descendants with them. 24 Before they call I will answer;while >> they are still speaking I will hear. 25 The wolf and the lamb will feed >> together,and the lion will eat straw like the ox,but dust will be the >> serpent's food.They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy >> mountain,"says the LORD. >> >> If you don't see these verses being fulfilled in a future earthly >> kingdom, how do you see them? >> >> Jimbo >> >>> It sounds to me like there are a few verses taken here and there and >>> then a lot of speculation. >>> >>> Peace, >>> Steve >>> >>> Mike Tittle wrote: >>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> That's something I have brought up several times. When satan rebelled, >>>> he was GOD's brightest angel. He was in the kingdom of God already. >>>> The greatest angel of God, and he decided to rebel and give up his >>>> place in the kingdom of God. >>>> >>>> At the time of satan's rebellion, there had never been any sin before. >>>> He started it all. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hallmark" >>>> <bc_preacher@...> >>>> To: <pastorsforum@...> >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:03 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] understand the Millennium. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bro. Steve, just a few questions, >>>> >>>> Was God sovereign when satan rebellion? >>>> >>>> Would that make God an ineffective god? >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mickey, >>>>> Though I don't believe there will be any 'ruptured' saints :-) >>>>> this has always been my question and one of the reasons why I do >>>>> not believe that the millenium is a literal 1,000 years. If Christ >>>>> is King and actively reigning over his people - how can there be a >>>>> rebellion? How can the lion lay down with the lamb if there is no >>>>> peace? For if there is no peace and rebellion is possible then >>>>> that means sin has not been dealt with. Does Christ not have any >>>>> power over sin as he reigns in His Kingdom? It seems to me that >>>>> it would make Him a rather ineffective King? Just some thoughts, >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> mickey28173 wrote: >>>>> > > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all > things, charity." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > [This e-mail scanned for viruses and spam by Nmax - "Your MAXimum > Connection!"] > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [This e-mail scanned for viruses and spam by Nmax - "Your MAXimum Connection!"]