Now that I've picked myself up and dusted off my pants, I'll ask.

David W......Mike T.......Jeff H       all standing on the same line.

WOW!!!!   I told you men that the age of miracles is not over yet.

Just having fun. It's a beautiful day to be alive in East Tennessee.

MT

Somebody shared with me where toothbrushes were invented.

KENTUCKY

If it had been Tennessee of any other state, it would have been a ......


teethbrush.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pastor David Warner" <dwarner@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Satan Beauty & Wisdom


> Whoa.  Nice post Mike.  I agree with Mike and Jeff on this.  What seems to
> me to be sloppy, Steve, is when one make everything an allegory or
> figurative without justification from the context.  So, guess we are going
> to see this differently as it has to do with the past, just like we see
> things differently like the rapture and the millennium as they have to do
> with the future.
>
> David Warner
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Tittle [mailto:drmike1@...]
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Satan Beauty & Wisdom
>
>
> Hi Steve
>
> Many commentaries see the king of Tyre as satan, because satan is the 
> power
> behind this evil king.  Much like when Christ called Peter by the name
> satan.  You know, "Get the behind me satan."
>
> The idea is that satan is the power or the driving force behind these men.
>
> The historic fall of Satan, otherwise not directly described in the Bible
> but alluded to in a number of passages, supplied the background 
> terminology
> and metaphor for this text, just as it did for Isaiah 14. His fall from
> heaven back, apparently, before time began will supply the model for the
> fall of the king of Tyre, as it had for the king of Babylon.
>
> But in keeping with the concept of inaugurated eschatology, in which both
> the near and the distant future are brought together in one horizon, the
> fall of the king of Tyre will be but a small indication of what the fall 
> of
> Satan will be like in the final day.
>
> The king of Tyre was compared to the Evil One himself, who was in the 
> Garden
> of Eden, the garden of God. But this exalted one became corrupt and lost 
> his
> position in heaven. Similarly, the king of Tyre is about to lose his
> position for the same reasons: he exalted himself above God. Thus the
> description seems to shift back and forth from the king of Tyre to Satan
> himself, but that fluidity of language can be seen elsewhere as the near
> fulfillments of many prophecies do not embrace the totality of the 
> language
> as the final fulfillment does.
>
> Taken from "Hard Sayings of the Bible"
>
>
> Mike T
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven G. Rockhill" <revrock@...>
> To: <pastorsforum@...>
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Satan Beauty & Wisdom
>
>
>> Okay,
>>   This seems to me to be a perfect example of what I mentioned earlier.
>> Taking a passage out of context and adding a whole lot of speculation to
>> it.  Where in this passage or it's context does it say this refers to
>> Satan.  Where is the connection made that the King of Tyre is Satan? 
>> Maybe
>> if it was the King of Babylon it might be a possibility. The reference to
>> Eden does not necessarily have to be a reference to the literial place -
>> the King of Tyre was wealthy and pampered - a near utopia as Eden.  To 
>> say
>> that this passage refers to Satan has absolutely no biblical or 
>> exegetical
>> grounding whatsoever.  It seems that the approach was to have a 
>> conception
>> or idea in one's head and then search out a Scripture passage that can be
>> vaguely construed to refer to it. Sorry guys, this is just sloppy in my
>> opinion.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Steve
>>
>
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