Dale,
I'm cool with your responses .....
....I just do not agree with you on some of it ..... But, I still love
you!!!!! ....
..... and you better still love me!!!!!
:) :) :)
Jerry L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Gooding" <prosperityfbc@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:52 PM
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Women Pastors
> To Jerry M. and Jerry L.,
> Please forgive me if I have mixed you guys up.
> I thought I was on the right track but lost track of all the posts and
> wasn't sure if I responded appropriately and respectively.
> If I have responded correctly then please dismiss everything I just
> wrote.
>
> DG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry [mailto:jelewis@...]
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:29 PM
> To: pastorsforum@...
> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Women Pastors
>
>
> Thanks, Dale..... for bringing it to my attention ..... :) :) :)
>
> Jerry L
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Gooding" <prosperityfbc@...>
> To: <pastorsforum@...>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Women Pastors
>
>
> > Steve,
> > Amen, and this has been needed for days now.
> > Jerry, Please take note of this!
> >
> > DG
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven G. Rockhill [mailto:revrock@...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:13 AM
> > To: pastorsforum@...
> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Women Pastors
> >
> >
> > I want to try and make some clarifications in this discussion because
> > many words are being thrown around.
> >
> > The English Word "preaching" - is used to translate two Greek Words
> >
> > Kerusso (and it's derivatives) and Euangellizo.
> >
> > Kerusso is authoritatively proclaiming something.
> > Euangellizo is - sharing the Good News (in fact when it is translated
> > as
> >
> > preaching it is always followed by the 'gospel') - we get our word
> > Evangelizing from this.
> >
> > Preaching (Kerusso) is authoritative proclamation. Men what we are to
> > do
> >
> > on the Lord's Day is to be authoritatively proclaiming the Word of
> God.
> > That is when we preach we do so not with the words or wisdom of men
> > but with the power and authority of the Holy Spirit (cf. 1 Cor. 2).
> > Preaching is not preaching if it is not authoritative. The eldership
> > of
> >
> > the church is an authoritative offices. Therefore there is a clear
> > link
> >
> > between preaching (Kerusso) and the office of pastor/elder. Only
> > ordained pastors/elders/overseers are to preach the Word (kerusso),
> > because only the ordained elders have the authority to do so. Paul is
>
> > very clear in 1 Timothy 2:12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or
> to
> > have authority over a man, but to be in silence. Women are not to be
> > in authority over men - women cannot be ordained elders/pastors
> > (office of authority) in the church and therefore women cannot preach
> > (Kerusso).
> >
> > However, Euangellizo is different. Even though it is often translated
>
> > as 'preaching' it is basically sharing the Good News of Jesus Christ.
> > All Christians are called to share the Good News of Jesus Christ both
> > men and women. We call it 'evangelizing'.
> >
> > The Samaritan Woman at Jacob's Well went and 'testified' (Marturo -
> > i.e.
> >
> > bore witness to) what Jesus did. This was not preaching (kerusso).
> > She
> >
> > was sharing what Christ had shared with her as we are all called to
> > do.
> >
> > The women who found the empty tomb went and 'told' (lego) and reported
>
> > to the Disciples what they had found. This was not preaching
> > (kerusso).
> >
> > As to Priscilla - it is never mentioned that she 'preached' (Kerusso).
>
> > And though she and her husband taught, or declared (ektithemi) to
> > Apollos the way of God more accurately (Acts 18:28) - Priscilla was
> > not working alone. She is always mentioned in conjunction with her
> > husband.
> >
> > They worked as a team but she and her teaching was under the
> > authority
> >
> > of her husband - in my opinion this is the true sense of 1 Cor.
> > 11:5,10
> > - and not some physical covering.
> >
> > I do have an uncertainty about what is being indicated in the NT
> > regarding prophesying. Is it just forth telling? I am still studying
>
> > this issue. Though I know prophesying is not preaching (Kerusso).
> >
> > Finally, I want to say that women do play a vital role in the Church
> > as all believers do (1 Cor. 12, Rom. 12). For specific ministry many
> > women
> >
> > unfortunately reject the encouraging and special ministry of Titus 2
> > because they desire the greater gifts (preaching and teaching) that
> > belong to others (This is one of the things Paul was condenming in 1
> > Cor. 12). But God has given each different gifts, just as each has a
> > different role to fulfill. We are bound to go by what God has
> > revealed in Scripture - God has set an authority structure in the
> > family and in the Church. Men have their roles and responsibilities
> > and women have their roles and responsibilities. May they do them to
> > glorify God in all things.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > Jerry wrote:
> >
> > > It is foolish for people to label as "sin" actions that the Bible
> > > does not call sin.
> > >
> > > Sin is "transgression" of the "Law."
> > >
> > > What Law prohibits a woman from preaching? There is NO Law in the
> > Bible
> > > like this.
> > >
> > > There are two verses that are INTERPRETED to prohibit women from
> > > preaching. These are very controversial interpretations. They still
>
> > > DO NOT SAY that it is a "sin" for a woman to preach.
> > >
> > > There is no punishment proscribed in the Bible for anyone, male or
> > > female, in obeying God to preach the gospel and win souls.
> > >
> > > Jerry L
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Pastor David Warner" <dwarner@...>
> > > To: <pastorsforum@...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 4:23 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Women Pastors
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>The same as any other sin of a Christian. Loving chastisement.
> > >>David Warner
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Jerry Martin [mailto:revjm@...]
> > >>Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:29 AM
> > >>To: Pastorsforum@...
> > >>Subject: [PastorsForum] Women Pastors
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>What is God's punishment for the sin of preaching if you are a
> > >>woman?
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
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