Just a question.
How much sense would it make to say "Timothy ( or anyone else) be not
drunk with "must" (fresh juice of the grape), or grape juice, or
Welch's, wherein is excess.  But, be filled with the Holy Spirit".
There are 2 primary words for wine in the NT (gluekos & oinos).  Both
are pretty general (as opposed to the OT where you have at least 13
words and several are very specific (shakar = inebriation).  So, the
context has much to day about the meaning of the word in the text.
Therefore, Paul must not have been telling Timothy or the Ephesians to
drink grape juice.

DG

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Hallmark [mailto:bc_preacher@...] 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:58 AM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] What Does the Bible Say


I don't think any Medical Doctor would tell anyone with stomach cancer
to drink alcoholic wine, the MD would tell them to drink grapejuice. I
don't think Paul under the Holy Spirit told Timothy to drink alcoholic
wine either. Paul knew Timothy had stomack trouble.

Jeff

> 
> What about stomach cancer?  Jeff, you have become very accomplished
> at not answering questions!
> doc
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: Jeff Hallmark<mailto:bc_preacher@...>
>    To: pastorsforum@...<mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>    Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:02 PM
>    Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] What Does the Bible Say
> 
> 
>    David P. wrote ---
> 
>       When you have a headache or backache or break your arm, do
> you take a teaspoon of grape juice?
>      doc
> 
>      No, for Paul said for the stomach sake.   Bahhahahahahahahahaaaa
> 
> 
>        ----- Original Message -----
>        From: Kevin Sigafoos<mailto:ksigafoos@...>
>        To:
pastorsforum@...<mailto:pastorsforum@...>
>        Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:47 AM
>        Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] What Does the Bible Say
> 
> 
>        Hi Jeff,
> 
>        On 12/8/05, Jeff Hallmark
> <bc_preacher@...<mailto:bc_preacher@...>> wrote:
>        >
>        > Just wondering if you support  marijuana use?
>        >
> 
>        Nope.  I said in my post that you can't apply Prov 31:6-7 to
> narcotics use.
> 
>        The proverb says that "give strong drink to the perishing."
Clearly,
>        God condones the settling effect that modest alcohol use can
provide.
>        This proverb can also be used to support the use of pain
killers and
>        anesthesia.  However, this cannot be extended to support
marijuana or
>        narcotic use.  At least not for getting "high."  Perhaps a case
could
>        be made for using marijuana as a pain killer (such as in cancer
>        patients), but I'm not knowledgeable enough about its effects
in this
>        situation and the alternatives available.
> 
>        I will say that God must have created marijuana for some good
purpose,
>        however.  Perhaps we just haven't discovered its legitimate use

> yet.
> 
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>        Kevin Sigafoos
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