Bro. What sin would be enough to cause a person to lose what Jesus said
is secure in His hands? (Short Story) My oldest daughter at the age of
12 or 13 became very rebellious and I am sure there was times she would
have said to anyone, I hate dad, my dad trts to control me, whatever...
She Might have even denied me as her dad, but I never, regardless how
far she would have went, never denied her. Why? Because she is my
daughter. She came from me, she is mine. Never would God disown His
children. They may even rebell so badly that they would run as fast they
can away from Him, but He will never deny His own. Delmar McCollum
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From: Brian [mailto:brian@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:01 PM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] Unconditional Salvation
Hi guys!
A couple things in this regard:
1. I don't think anyone doubts the security of the believer. The
question is whether or not someone can become an unbeliever, as I see
it.
2. It would seem to me that the issue of eternal security is NOT an
issue for those who walk with Christ. It is really only an issue for
those who choose a licentious lifestyle over discipleship.
3. If someone claims to be a Christian, yet lives a sinful lifestyle,
people on both sides of the issue would question that person's salvation
- the one side would say that person may have been saved and may have
lost it; the other side would say that the person was probably never
saved to begin with. So in both cases, the concern would be for that
person's soul, amen?
4. Okay, that was three things instead of a couple. Sue me!!
Your friendly Wesleyan moderator who is secure in his salvation,
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cantrell [mailto:mcantrell@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:38 AM
To: pastorsforum@...
Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Unconditional Salvation
Bro. Terry here are just a few scriptures that attest to the Security of
the Believer. There are hundreds more, but for the sake of space I
offer these
Mike Cantrell
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never
perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:29 My
Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to
pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in
Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (After
the flesh and after the spirit are not in the best Manuscripts)
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall
tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or
peril, or sword? Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed
all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Rom 8:37
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that
loved us. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life,
nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor
things to come, Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature,
shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ
Jesus our Lord. ( The argument is made that man can choose to separate
himself from the love and salvation of God, however, the word creature
here in these verse of scripture includes man.)
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that
cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:38 For I came down from
heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John
6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all
which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up
again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent
me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have
everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of
truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye
believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Eph 1:14
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the
purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Walker" <twalker@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:31 AM
Subject: [PastorsForum] Unconditional Salvation
> Greetings Bros in Christ,
>
> I am interested in other pastors teaching on unconditional salvation.
What
> I am looking for is not just opinions but scripture to support your
> statements. I have been invited to a round table tonight to discuss
this
> subject. There will be pastors from several denominations. What do I
mean
> by unconditional salvation, the term is sometimes referred to as "once
> saved, always saved." Thank you in advance and God Bless,
>
> Rev. Bro. T.
>
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