David W,

Actually, I do not think that it is , at least not in those terms.....

But if a church member is abusing his or her spouse or child, I would 
consider that a major crisis situation that would demand immediate 
attention, including the law being brought into the picture.

Many states require churches to report any indication of abuse to the 
authorities.

Also, the issue of domestic abuse is one of those hidden sins WITHIN the 
church.  The Roman Catholics have received almost all of the media attention 
with child sexual abuse, yet it goes on in every  denomination, and also in 
independent groups as well.

Sometimes preachers, deacons, and other church leaders cloak themselves in 
religious piety in the church while they are involved in all sorts of 
demonic perversions at home.

Jerry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pastor David Warner" <dwarner@...>
To: <pastorsforum@...>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] How do you define worldliness?


> Jerry,
> Where in Scripture is "domestic abuse" listed as a major sin?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jerry [mailto:jelewis@...]
>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:51 PM
>> To: pastorsforum@...
>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] How do you define worldliness?
>>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> You asked,
>> Do you think it is right to be against the lottery and yet
>> take advantage of the grants that the lottery supports?
>>
>> I have no qualms about it whatsoever.  The Scripture says,
>> Prov 13:22 ... and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just.
>> When people give an offering in church, I do not stop them
>> and inquire as to how they obtained their funds.  I pray and
>> consecrate the money to God and His work.
>>
>> You asked,
>> Do you patronize the local Chinese restaurant with the Buddha
>> behind the counter?
>>
>>  I love Chinese food.  I don't go looking for Buddha.  If he
>> comes up, I will deal with him.  When I pray over the food,
>> God blesses and consecrates it. no matter what kind of idol is nearby.
>>
>> You asked,
>> Some further questions:  What do you do with the local
>> business man in your congregation who owns the gas station or
>> the convenience store, or the video rental place with the
>> R-rated movies?  Would such a man fall under church discipline?
>>
>> Now, this question is not as easy to deal with as the others
>> ....  My business is to preach the Word.  It is the business
>> of the Holy Spirit to convict people of sin.  Church
>> discipline should be reserved for major disobedience of the
>> commands of the Scriptures, such as adultery, domestic abuse,
>> etc, and not for someone working at a convenience store that
>> sells alcohol or rents R movies to the public. What about the
>> woman working as a waitress in the upscale restaurant who has
>> to serve a table where people order wine with their meal???
>> Same answer.
>>
>> Are you aware that the family who own Coors Beverage company
>> are "Christians"????
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Sigafoos" <ksigafoos@...>
>> To: <pastorsforum@...>
>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] How do you define worldliness?
>>
>>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> You said:
>> >
>> > I do not know of any gas stations that do not sell lottery
>> tickets.  I
>> > dislike standing in line while people buy and scratch off
>> these tickets.
>> > Sometimes I make wise cracks thanking them for helping send
>> my kids to
>> > college.  Most of them laugh it off.
>>
>> Do you think it is right to be against the lottery and yet take
>> advantage of the grants that the lottery supports?
>>
>> >
>> > I guess it is similar to buying food in the markets in
>> ancient Asia and
>> > Greece.  It was difficult to find food for sale that had
>> not been used in
>> > idol worship.
>>
>> Do you patronize the local Chinese restaurant with the Buddha behind
>> the counter?
>>
>> Some further questions:  What do you do with the local business man in
>> your congregation who owns the gas station or the convenience store,
>> or the video rental place with the R-rated movies?  Would such a man
>> fall under church discipline?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> Grace and peace,
>> Kevin Sigafoos
>> ---------------------
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>> glory forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36)
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