To a point I agree with you, but the issue is that we "repent" because we are "drawn" and because God regenerates us. Or else, we cannot repent. THe issue is whether we can repent without the Work of God... and whether we can resist that work of God and not repent. John 6 seems to be the passage that I usually use when Christ discusses us being drawn and all those drawn will come to Him. Derick > Maybe we must go through the motion because God is not looking for robots > - but a peculiar people - a bride that is willing love HIM. > > Even in arrange marriages a bride has to accept the arrangements. > > Miguel > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "michael ray tittle, dds" <drmike1@...> > >> >> Hi Kevin >> >> Just a simple question. >> >> Your thoughts are that after we get saved, nothing >> we do will break that relationship with God. We >> are always saved. We can murder, steal, lie, commit >> adultry or anything we want to do, and still be saved. >> >> My question. Why do we have to go through the >> motions of getting saved. God has the same >> grace before we ask for forgivness as He does >> after forgivness. Why doesn't He just forgive >> everybody anyway, and then no one would ever have to >> worry about going to hell. >> >> Just a thought >> >> MIke >> >> >> >> >> >> > [Original Message] >> > From: Kevin Sigafoos >> > To: >> > Date: 6/14/2006 10:41:49 AM >> > Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] Calvinism vs. Arminianism >> > >> > DJ, >> > >> > If salvation is received by faith and faith can be lost, then can >> > salvation by lost? Is keeping my faith my responsibility? If so, >> > then I am saved by the work of keeping my faith and not by the faith >> > itself. >> > >> > Look carefully at what Eph 2:8-9 is teaching: >> > >> > For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your >> > own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no >> > one may boast. >> > (Eph 2:8-9) >> > >> > We are NOT saved BY faith -- we are saved BY grace THROUGH faith. >> > God's grace, His good will and undeserved mercy, remains even if we >> > loose faith. (Aside: I'm not saying it is possible to loose faith. >> > Keep reading.) The means God uses to extend His grace to us is faith. >> > That faith is a gift. It is not something we cook up for ourselves. >> > We would never come to Christ on our own. He must draw us first and >> > give us faith. That's grace! >> > >> > We were dead. We were alienated from God. We were His enemies. Yet >> > God, rich in mercy, made us alive in Christ. (Eph 2:1-7) That's >> > grace! >> > >> > If faith is a gift of God's grace then can it ever be lost? No! What >> > God has given He will never take away. That would make God a liar. >> > >> > Can sin destroy faith? No! Sin can, and does, break fellowship with >> > God but He does not disown us. Nothing I can do can undo what Christ >> > did on the cross. If Christ bore ALL of our sins at Calvary, can God >> > demand payment again? No! That would make God unjust. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > Grace and peace, >> > Kevin Sigafoos >> > --------------------- >> > For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be >> > glory forever. Amen. (Rom 11:36) >> > >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >> > >> > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in >> all >> things, charity." >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >> pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... >> >> "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in >> all >> things, charity." >> > -- > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > "In essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all > things, charity." >