steven thank you - i will take your lable :) i think lables have value only when you pick one for you - others can not assign one to you, because then they are defining you and that is not right :) pax jok --- "Steven G. Rockhill" <revrock@...> wrote: > Welcome to the forum! > Don't worry about not having/using any labels - just > hang out here for a > bit and they (the labels) will come. :-) > In fact I will label you right now ---- Brother!!!! > Take that for a > label you labeless fellow. How does it feel now to > be labeled like the > rest of us? :-) > > Peace, > Steve > > PS - I should say that I totally disagree with you > on your methods of > 'doing church' although I may not necessarily > disagree with the > principle behind the method. > > PSS - You have already labeled yourself in an > earlier post as > Postmodern/Emerging - that is if anti-labeling is a > label in itself. > > PSSS - I don't think there is necesarrily a problem > with using labels, > but I understand the confusion that they can > sometimes bring about. To > my in-laws > Being Conservative is what you wear. > To me > being > Conservatie is theological. > > PSSSS - Okay this is the last PS - I should warn you > that the label I > gave you above doesn't wash off (well maybe if you > prove yourself to be > fruitless - i.e. a heretic) no matter how hard you > try - you can immerse > yourself, sprinkle water on your head, pour water on > your head, or dunk > yourself forward once and back twice (or is it > forward twice or back > once - I don't know I'm not Brethren) - it just > won't work - the label > sticks. :-) :-) > > > john okeefe wrote: > > >well, i am the new guy so i will add my two cents - > >and if need be run and hide :) > > > >i tend to think all lables are misplaced and only > >service to place people into a box. personally, i > am > >neither "conservative" or "center" or "liberal" or > >"fundy" or "progressive" or "anything" that others > >desire to place on me :) what i have found is that > >most of the time people who give lables do so to > push > >people away, not it identifie who they are :) > > > >whenever i use a lable i place it in "quotes" - > >because of there lack of meaning. besides, i know > >people who say they are "liberal" who others say > are > >"conservative" - so do lables actually have a > meaning? > > or are they just ways of saying "i am better then > >you?" :) > > > >just my 2 cents :) > > > >--- mwcarnes <mick.jinx@...> wrote: > > > > > >>The elder brother > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: DAVID POWELL > >> To: pastorsforum@... > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:44 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] gentlemen i have a > >>problem > >> > >> > >> Come on guys! This is getting a bit ridiculous! > > >>There is nothing wrong with having some fun at > >>church. What! Do all of us belong to the First > >>Church of the Chosen Frozen? There have been > >>several times I have used exercises similar to > this > >>to stimulate conversation in one of my classes! > >>Show me in the Scriptures how the order of service > >>is to go. I bet you can't find one reference to a > >>church bulletin, or opening "Call to worship, > >>opening prayer, hymn, hymn, offering, prayer, > hymn, > >>special music, sermon, invitation, sharing and > >>caring etc, etc. etc. We as churches sometimes do > >>the same thing over and over and over and over > until > >>it becomes a rut!!!! Do you know what the > >>definition of a "rut" is? A rut is a grave with > >>both ends kicked out! > >> > >> I am also disappointed that no one answered my > >>trivia question: > >> "Who was the wickedest man in the Whole Bible?" > >> > >> God Bless > >> Dr. D. > >> > >> Shalom Alechem...Barukh Hashem Y'shua! > >> (Peace and Blessings in Jesus' name!) > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Pastor David Warner > >> To: pastorsforum@... > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:39 PM > >> Subject: RE: [PastorsForum] gentlemen i have a > >>problem > >> > >> > >> I just made part of this translation up and I > >>like it because I can understand it and it appeals > >>to me. > >> But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted > >>up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of > Judaea, > >>and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known > >>unto you, and hearken to my words: I wilt asketh > >>thee some trivia questions from all the prophets > and > >>the law to let you have some fun and test thou > Bible > >>(1) knowledge. > >> > >> (1) Note: the word "Bible" is not in some of > >>the better translations. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: jim > >>[mailto:jim.melissa@...] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:38 PM > >> To: pastorsforum@... > >> Subject: Re: [PastorsForum] gentlemen i have > a > >>problem > >> > >> > >> We have used it on occasion for a portion of > >>the service on a Sunday night or Wed. night, and > it > >>seemed to be well received. It was good to pit > the > >>teens against the older people and see the > outcome. > >> > >> How is asking Bible questions a reproach to > >>our Lord? It is more likely a reproach on many > for > >>their lack of Bible knowledge! > >> > >> Jim > >> ----- Original Message ----- a > >> From: DEACON64@... > >> To: pastorsforum@... > >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:40 PM > >> Subject: [PastorsForum] gentlemen i have a > >>problem > >> > >> > >> Dear Pastors: > >> What do you think about this problem I > have > >>any suggestions will be welcomed. > >> in our Sunday evening service many months > >>ago one of my people suggested we spend 10 minutes > >>playing a bible trivia game something to challenge > >>the people. well i decided to pit the ladies > against > >>the men and it went over real well with most of > them > >>but there are a few that believe i stepped over > the > >>line. now i have been friends with my congregation > >>for 30 years so those that are upset are not going > >>to leave. But do you think I am bringing reproach > to > >>our Lord by allowing this bible trivia. I > certainly > >>enjoy it as do the majority but my heart is going > >>out to those who are somewhat offended. thanks for > >>your input. > >> > >> > >> Joe Santos > >> Pastor Bethel Baptist Church > >> Bethel's Web Site > >> > >> > > > > > >===== > >john o'keefe > >http://www.ginkworld.net > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! > >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > >-- > >To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > pastorsforum-unsubscribe@... > > > >"In essential things, unity; in non-essential > things, liberty; and in all things, charity." > > > > > > > > > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Pastor Steven G. Rockhill > Lisbon Reformed Presbyterian Church > PO Box 88 > Lisbon, NY 13658 > 315-393-9041 > revrock@... > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > ===== john o'keefe http://www.ginkworld.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/